Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

Now they only have to confirm that each alt can cuszomize their drakes independently. Since the customization is accountwide and we could do that with Pocopoc, I think it's a given.

i am so ready

[Sondrelk]

I can already hear people complaining about a mobile strategy title when there's no WC4 and Reforged was an utter disaster.

As for the Pokemon Go clone. I see that being another HoTS. It might be good in its own right but Blizzard is so far past riding the wave of that cultural phenomena I can't see it gaining any traction.

A proper RTS isnt really feasible on a phone though is the problem. You can have something similar, but nothing to the level players would expect after Starcraft 2.

[Revamp Man]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/warcraf...lash-of-326899

Eh, Clash of Clans and Pokemon Go.
Worst possible games to base their projects on.

Why on earth they would pick Pokemon Go over creating a proper pokemon style game set on Azeroth is beyond me.

we know absolutely nothing except for the line "there are two in development one like pokemon go and one clash-ish"
literally no details beyond that

wait the 5 days before doom saying i mean they are mobile games so who cares

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I am still worried they will not have any Flying Mounts in Dragonflight due to the Dragonriding akin to how Artifact Weapon reduced Weapons for the expansion. But, I guess we'll wait and see.

Again, I am still in the phase of waiting for Alpha and to see the first signs of red alarm blaring. I think they're just buttering up the audience right now and the lack of focus on Customization and Allied Races seem intentional. They've got another embargo to lift for preorders and that will be the final bait.

i mean unless the aotc and glad and keystone mounts are just ground mounts i doubt it

they did say that flying will come later in the expansion but dragon riding is the main thing right now

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Looks like Clash of Clans will be first. Pokemon GO later on, it seems. (From WoW Companion App)

[Alexjimithing]

The degree of which I care about WoW mobile, in any form, is if it gives me anything in WoW lol.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

The degree of which I care about WoW mobile, in any form, is if it gives me anything in WoW lol.

Yeah, well Blizzard aren't that good at business. So they didn't integrate the Loot Cards from the Physical TCG into Hearthstone. I still think thats' one of the biggest missed opportunities as a crossover with WoW they've ever had.

No idea why they are going with the Clash of Clans clone first. The Pokemon GO one should've been in development longer than the Clash of Clans one.

I really feel that the audience will not vibe to it at all even if it is as Warcraft RTS inspired as possible. Can't wait for the extensible crybabies about Warcraft 4 after announcement and Warcraft RTS died for this.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, well Blizzard aren't that good at business. So they didn't integrate the Loot Cards from the Physical TCG into Hearthstone. I still think thats' one of the biggest missed opportunities as a crossover with WoW they've ever had.

No idea why they are going with the Clash of Clans clone first. The Pokemon GO one should've been in development longer than the Clash of Clans one.

I really feel that the audience will not vibe to it at all even if it is as Warcraft RTS inspired as possible.

The pseudo-RTS mobile game just sounds like it's about to crash head first into the same complaints Diablo Immortal got, except with none of the possible reasoning that they took a chance that didnt pan out.
WC3 Reforged didnt work, but that shouldnt have been their sign to never make another RTS again, but rather to instead make a great one.

All this is probably going to do is make the RTS fans mad when they don't even have a hypothetical Diablo 4 to look forward to.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

The pseudo-RTS mobile game just sounds like it's about to crash head first into the same complaints Diablo Immortal got, except with none of the possible reasoning that they took a chance that didnt pan out.
WC3 Reforged didnt work, but that shouldnt have been their sign to never make another RTS again, but rather to instead make a great one.

All this is probably going to do is make the RTS fans mad when they don't even have a hypothetical Diablo 4 to look forward to.

Flashback to a certain Command & Conquer mobile game being presented at E3 back in 2018. Commander Keen Mobile Game?

Again, Blizzard should've realized they would've had a better reception from the Pokemon GO game first. I have no idea why they would start off with something so adversary to its audience once again.

[Sondrelk]

Flashback to a certain Command & Conquer mobile game being presented at E3 back in 2018. Commander Keen Mobile Game?

Again, Blizzard should've realized they would've had a better reception from the Pokemon GO game first. I have no idea why they would start off with something so adversary to its audience once again.

I don't think Pokemon GO is a better option either. It's less offensive to it's potential audience, but said audience is extremely niche compared to just continuing ot play Pokemon GO.
I could be jumping to conclusions and it isnt going to literally like Pokemon GO, but if it is then I really cannot see what the niche the game would be going for is. Pokemon GO worked because it jumped at the perfect audience and managed to explode in popularity over the summer. I just don't see what would make players want to play another version of the same game, except with none of the inherent overlap between main game and mobile game.

Maybe if the supposed two games are actually one, and it's the gym mechanic from Pokemon GO combined with the clash of clans pseudo-RTS thingy.

[draugril]

No it shouldn't.

It really should. Then you tell the next one.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I don't think Pokemon GO is a better option either. It's less offensive to it's potential audience, but said audience is extremely niche compared to just continuing ot play Pokemon GO.
I could be jumping to conclusions and it isnt going to literally like Pokemon GO, but if it is then I really cannot see what the niche the game would be going for is. Pokemon GO worked because it jumped at the perfect audience and managed to explode in popularity over the summer. I just don't see what would make players want to play another version of the same game, except with none of the inherent overlap between main game and mobile game.

Maybe if the supposed two games are actually one, and it's the gym mechanic from Pokemon GO combined with the clash of clans pseudo-RTS thingy.

I have more faith in the Pokemon GO mobile outing to not lead to a community clashdown than the Clash of Clans clone. Especially if the Clash of Clans clone only features Orcs and Human buildings and concepts.

Again, I just don't "get" this Marketing Department. I still think this is the worst decision to start off presenting Mobile Games to the Warcraft audience by copying the one Franchise that is dead and dormant because of corporate realizing they can't milk it into the billions and showcasing it to your audience.

I genuinely believe that the Pokemon GO game would be the better starting point for a multitude of reasons. Especially because the consumers are primed and excited for such an offering from Blizzard but there's a lot of other reasonings as well.

[rhorle]

Again, Blizzard should've realized they would've had a better reception from the Pokemon GO game first. I have no idea why they would start off with something so adversary to its audience once again.

Clash has made over $10 billion over its life time. Just because it is a strategy game doesn't mean they are looking for die hard RTS players as the core demographic.

[plz delete account]

We don't need an ending with Azeroth.

We know a Titan sleeps inside the planet, cool. Do we need to see her waking up? Nope. Why should she even wake up now? For all we know, she's still a fetus and she'll be born aeons into the future. How convenient that she'd wake up during the life of the PC, truly how convenient.

Azeroth doesn't need to wake up and frankly I hope she doesn't, I'd prefer if they used the Sword to bring back the Old God C'Thun instead.

How does waking up c'thun make *any* sense? He's been dead for a decade ingame, plus just had a sword absolutely decimate the area where he resides anyways. From a physics standpoint, if he wasn't already dead after we killed him, he's absolutely, 100% stabbed and crushed and creamed and vibrated to death. And if he didn't die from that, he's 100% bled to death.

[Ersula]

Honestly though I think it's more epic for us to have to put her down in the end. The ultimate emancipation of mortals is to have to put their mother down and then wonder the cosmos. It's tragic and epic.

Just go rent Eternals.

[Sondrelk]

Clash has made over $10 billion over its life time. Just because it is a strategy game doesn't mean they are looking for die hard RTS players as the core demographic.

I am sure they don't. But for RTS players who once, and probably still does consider Blizzard the peak of RTS game design, it is a bit of a slap in the face that they first give WC3:R, and now Clash of the Clans, rather than a proper WC4, or new Starcraft.

[Nymrohd]

Just go rent Eternals.

Oh that's why you are all reacting this way. I need to watch the MCU at some point, refusing to do so makes it impossible to communicate with people from the US sometimes.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I am sure they don't. But for RTS players who once, and probably still does consider Blizzard the peak of RTS game design, it is a bit of a slap in the face that they first give WC3:R, and now Clash of the Clans, rather than a proper WC4, or new Starcraft.

Its a mobile game though for the mobile game demographic, people need to fucking chill. WC4 aint happening, a new Starcraft maybe but I think people have unrealistic expectations or just overly possessive of these franchises.

[rhorle]

I am sure they don't. But for RTS players who once, and probably still does consider Blizzard the peak of RTS game design, it is a bit of a slap in the face that they first give WC3:R, and now Clash of the Clans, rather than a proper WC4, or new Starcraft.

It isn't. You are saying that Blizzard slaps anyone in the face when they develop an "adjacent" game to a genre/platform. You are also using the false assumption that Starcraft 3 or Warcraft 4 won't happen because of these games. All you are doing is inventing ways to hate on Blizzard and the mobile games.

[Greyfang]

I don't think Pokemon GO is a better option either. It's less offensive to it's potential audience, but said audience is extremely niche compared to just continuing ot play Pokemon GO.
I could be jumping to conclusions and it isnt going to literally like Pokemon GO, but if it is then I really cannot see what the niche the game would be going for is. Pokemon GO worked because it jumped at the perfect audience and managed to explode in popularity over the summer. I just don't see what would make players want to play another version of the same game, except with none of the inherent overlap between main game and mobile game.

Maybe if the supposed two games are actually one, and it's the gym mechanic from Pokemon GO combined with the clash of clans pseudo-RTS thingy.

I'm thinking whoever reported it to be like "pokemon go" instead meant to be like a Pet Battle game, which has been theorized/guessed for some time now. Maybe they dont know the franchises well and just saw pet battles and associated it with pokemon go. Maybe its not an AR Catch-pets-in-real-life thing, but more like an oldschool pokemon game where you capture/battle with the pets.

[Sondrelk]

Its a mobile game though for the mobile game demographic, people need to fucking chill. WC4 aint happening, a new Starcraft maybe but I think people have unrealistic expectations or just overly possessive of these franchises.

This isnt really being overly posessive though, it's just flat out wanting Blizzard to make a good RTS again.
This isnt even like Diablo Immortal where Diablo 3 was still active, and Diablo 4 was expected to show up eventually. The story-driven RTS adventures once made popular by Blizzard in the form of Starcraft is dying, and is in desperate need of a big game to revitalize the genre, and Blizzard making a version for mobile just seems like a stark regression even from the travesty that was WC3:R.