Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varodoc]

Lol.

It's obvious why Void elf Paladins are not a thing yet.

No, it has nothing to do with "lore"; because Blizzard has no problem retconning things, and furthermore we already have example of Void Paladins serving the Twilight's Hammer.

It simply has to do with the fact that each Paladin has a unique racial mount that would have to be created for every new race that gets Paladin, meanwhile Rogue, Mage, and Priest have nothing unique that has to be designed for every new race.

Since modern Blizzard cuts costs everywhere they can, they're not thrilled to have to make special paladin mounts for Night elves, Worgen, Trolls, Void elves, Nightborne, etc.

[Sondrelk]

In thinking about it. There really isnt a reason for Velf paladins to not be a thing. You can already look like a regular High Elf, so there is a clear niche for Velf Paladins to slot into, similar to how Spriests are a thing are the reason you can have Velf Priests.

Just make Velf Paladins and say that any Velf with voidtinged skin is non-canon.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

we already have example of Void Paladins serving the Twilight's Hammer

this doesn’t really count as paladins as they don’t use the light in any way which is how wow defines them even if it’s from different sources.

[Varodoc]

In thinking about it. There really isnt a reason for Velf paladins to not be a thing. You can already look like a regular High Elf, so there is a clear niche for Velf Paladins to slot into, similar to how Spriests are a thing are the reason you can have Velf Priests.

Just make Velf Paladins and say that any Velf with voidtinged skin is non-canon.

There absolutely is a way to make the Story work. People here just lack imagination.

A Light Naaru was drained to empower Sin'dorei warriors and turn them into Holy paladins. There's no reason why a Void Naaru cannot be drained to achieve a similar result with Ren'dorei warriors, turning them into paladins of Darkness instead.

"Paladin" as a term also never had a Religious connotation, the term was coined to refer to Charlemagne's court. So something like "Shadow Paladin" is absolutely not an oxymoron or some kind of inconsistency and, indeed, we have Twilight Paladins in the game:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator

this doesn’t really count as paladins as they don’t use the light in any way which is how wow defines them even if it’s from different sources.

They literally use the Light:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator

Last I checked, "Divine Storm", "Retribution Aura", and "Hammer of Wrath" are Light spells used by Light Paladins. But, since we are talking about something the Void elves would gain, I'm sure you'll spin it around and say that it doesn't count for reasons (because you hate Void elves).

[rhorle]

Thats... good. As long as there's actual lore explanations and not just "lolz give everyone every class".

You don't really need lore though because it is as simple as "X race got interested and was trained". Even for Paladins and Warlocks. Paladins only require the Order to open their doors to teaching those races. A paladin can be cut off from using the order's magic but not from using the light. So there already is a lore basis for it being Order specific.

Warlocks can simply be outcasts learning to use warlock stuff after years of it being present in the factions. Even for someone like Dreanei it can simply be an outcast. There doesn't need to be any big lore reason just because. Would it be nice? Sure but look at gnome priests. Their lore was essentially after years of seeing it done they decided to learn it and experiment with light based technology to retake/heal their capital.

[Kiivar86]

Not sure what impact, if any, this may make on the game but Holly Longdale is now the Executive Producer for the game.

[Xilurm]

You don't really need lore though because it is as simple as "X race got interested and was trained". Even for Paladins and Warlocks. Paladins only require the Order to open their doors to teaching those races. A paladin can be cut off from using the order's magic but not from using the light. So there already is a lore basis for it being Order specific.

Still, having a little lore interaction isn't gonna hurt anyone. They did it for the allied races/Death Knight combo.

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Not sure what impact, if any, this may make on the game but Holly Longdale is now the Executive Producer for the game.

Make the game more like classic maybe? Who was the previous executive producer?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There absolutely is a way to make the Story work. People here just lack imagination.

A Light Naaru was drained to empower Sin'dorei warriors and turn them into Holy paladins. There's no reason why a Void Naaru cannot be drained to achieve a similar result with Ren'dorei warriors, turning them into paladins of Darkness instead.

"Paladin" as a term also never had a Religious connotation, the term was coined to refer to Charlemagne's court. So something like "Shadow Paladin" is absolutely not an oxymoron or some kind of inconsistency and, indeed, we have Twilight Paladins in the game:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator



They literally use the Light:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator

Last I checked, "Divine Storm", "Retribution Aura", and "Hammer of Wrath" are Light spells used by Light Paladins. But, since we are talking about something the Void elves would gain, I'm sure you'll spin it around and say that it doesn't count for reasons (because you hate Void elves).

Huh I stand corrected then I had no idea this mob existed and thought you were asking about various other mobs that use purple paladin themed twilight spells.

[Khaza-R]

I doubt we will get it but hopefully them holding on Warlocks means we might see some uniqueness added to those combos.

[Ersula]

Huh I stand corrected then I had no idea this mob existed and thought you were asking about various other mobs that use purple paladin themed twilight spells.

Wanting to be goth but not liking Priest #JustHealerProblems

[Varodoc]

It is funny how some people act like Light and Void possibly cannot mingle, and cite the example of the Sunwell (different situation) and Alleria and Turalyon causing pain to one another (another different situation). However, we have seen every other "opposite" mingle with each other:

- Death and Life mingled in Ardenweald. From the death of the Natural Gods comes their rebirth in a cycle. This duality is represented by the divine sisters Elune and Winter Queen. Elune is a being of Life who nurtures mortals, while the Winter Queen is a being of Death who revives the Wild Gods.

- Fel and Order mingled in Sargeras. A being of order and logic was twisted and corrupted into becoming a being of pure insanity, chaos, and destruction.

We even have an example of the Light and Void mingling: The Naaru themselves. The cycle of the Naaru, when a Naaru dies, the being of pure Light enters into a twisted state, becoming a being of pure Void energy. Like two sides of the same coin, Light and Void are connected, one cannot exist without the other.

But apparently the idea of a "Void elf Paladin" is too foreign to think of when the highest beings of the Light Pantheon we have seen so far literally turn into Void beings... and their creator, Elune, who created the Light Naaru, is also associated with the Shadows of the moon, the Darkness of night.

But perhaps it should also be noted that "Paladins" needn't wield the Light. For instance, last I checked, there's no proof that Zandalari Paladins wield the Light STORYWISE. They draw their powers from Rezan, the King of Loa, a being associated with the domain of Life, not from the Naaru and the Light.

[Kiivar86]

Make the game more like classic maybe? Who was the previous executive producer?

Honestly I'm not quite sure.

John Hight seems to have been one as of late last year. J. Allen Brack sometime before that.

[Xilurm]

Honestly I'm not quite sure.

John Hight seems to have been one as of late last year. J. Allen Brack sometime before that.

Yeah so, she went from Executive Produce in the studio that was making Everquest II to Blizzard and was Producer for Classic.

John Hight was on the announcement vid and he really seemed like he was super uninterested in everything that was happening.

So I supposed this can only be a good thing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Honestly I'm not quite sure.

John Hight seems to have been one as of late last year. J. Allen Brack sometime before that.

I don't think thats really the case honestly, some things in classic just don't work anymore. Cynically it might be for PR but again I got no evidence so...could be very benign.


TLDR: It could mean nothing malicious or anything like that, so don't need to overthink it like me >_>

[Makabreska]

Second interview is going on atm.

[Prenderghast]

So in the MrGM interview Brian Holinka said that Dracthyr are their own racial mount. Ion had mentioned that Dracthyr will get a basic version of Dragonriding as a baseline racial, but does this mean that they'll also have traditional-flying as a mount option with their own wings? That'll be great if so.

[therumblings]

So in the MrGM interview Brian Holinka said that Dracthyr are their own racial mount. Ion had mentioned that Dracthyr will get a basic version of Dragonriding as a baseline racial, but does this mean that they'll also have traditional-flying as a mount option with their own wings? That'll be great if so.

Seems like it. Also confirmed they get their own racials.

[Eurhetemec]

Not sure what impact, if any, this may make on the game but Holly Longdale is now the Executive Producer for the game.

EPs don't necessarily mean much, but if she has any impact it seems likely to be positive given her experience in the industry and that she's genuinely keen on MMORPGs, including older ones.

[Sondrelk]

So in the MrGM interview Brian Holinka said that Dracthyr are their own racial mount. Ion had mentioned that Dracthyr will get a basic version of Dragonriding as a baseline racial, but does this mean that they'll also have traditional-flying as a mount option with their own wings? That'll be great if so.

Bit of a shame we lose out on a racial mount everyone can use like how all the other ones work, but I guess it's a fair trade to actually having functional wings.
I really hope their Dragonriding racial could scale with regular Dragonriding though, seems a bit annoying to only have it useful for a brief moment before proper Dragonriding takes over, and unless it's useable in raids or whatever it seems far from a broken mechanic.

[Marlamin]

Mildly interesting, Ion was talking about doing something along the lines of master loot (but not master loot) and didn't "want to promise that any of that work can get done in the next few months". Might be reading a bit too much into that, but that's interesting wording if that implies it won't be ready for 10.0 in a few months.

Not sure what the widely accepted American definition of "few" is but in my definition that feels like it at least does imply 10.0 pre-patch this year, seeing few wouldn't be "in 8 months" .