Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[rhorle]

Red isn’t a healing flight in the lore

“This is my gift: compassion for all living things. A drive to protect and nurture them. And the ability to heal that which others cannot, birth what others may not, and love even the unlovable--who surely need such grace more than any other souls.” — Eonar's blessing of the Red Aspect

Wowpedia doesn't cite that quote but you are wrong about the Red not being about healing in the lore.

[ChairmanKaga]

Something I noted in the Holinka interview is them mixing up the green and red flight. They mention how "Ysera" is the one who healed people in Wrathgate when it was Alexstraza and the red flight.

How did the red flight "heal" anyone at the Wrathgate? They burned away the new Blight and turned Bolvar into an undead permanently burned to a crisp.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

How did the red flight "heal" anyone at the Wrathgate? They burned away the new Blight and turned Bolvar into an undead permanently burned to a crisp.

It seems implied tbh reds being about Life and such. Yes obviously the reds burnt out a lot of the plague at Wrathgate but he didn't necessarily say the reds were healing at the wrathgate.

[Hitei]

“This is my gift: compassion for all living things. A drive to protect and nurture them. And the ability to heal that which others cannot, birth what others may not, and love even the unlovable--who surely need such grace more than any other souls.” — Eonar's blessing of the Red Aspect

Wowpedia doesn't cite that quote but you are wrong about the Red not being about healing in the lore.

They are stewards. Really closer to guardians/protectors (i.e. tanks) than dedicated restoration. Both at the Wrathgate and at their Dragonshrine, you can see that their approach is more like "prune away the disruptions to the balance, and from that death foster new life"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

“This is my gift: compassion for all living things. A drive to protect and nurture them. And the ability to heal that which others cannot, birth what others may not, and love even the unlovable--who surely need such grace more than any other souls.” — Eonar's blessing of the Red Aspect

Wowpedia doesn't cite that quote but you are wrong about the Red not being about healing in the lore.

If it doesn’t have a source there’s no way to know if it’s a canon quote or not, nor is there any context of “heal what others cannot” means as you could say she means purging corruption to heal the land like they do at the wrath gate not actually heal wounds.

[Makabreska]

How did the red flight "heal" anyone at the Wrathgate? They burned away the new Blight and turned Bolvar into an undead permanently burned to a crisp.

They saved Bolvar by burning out the plague, but these still were magical flames, so he got perma cooked in the process (while still being kept alive, mind you). Saurfang jr didn't get the treatment, and he got turned into a DK.

[rhorle]

Is it doesn’t have a source there’s no way to know if it’s a canon quote or not, nor is there any context of “heal what others cannot” means as you could say she means purging corruption to heal the land like they do at the wrath gate not actually heal wounds.

Googling it shows it appears in Twilight of the Aspects. I'm amazed that now we are arguing over if "Heal what others cannot" means healing or not. Seriously. Just admit you were wrong instead.

[Hitei]

They saved Bolvar by burning out the plague, but these still were magical flames, so he got perma cooked in the process. Saurfang jr didn't get the treatment, and he got turned into a DK.

Saving =/= healing though. He specifically wasn't healed, just shielded from death.

[ChairmanKaga]

They saved Bolvar by burning out the plague, but these still were magical flames, so he got perma cooked in the process (while still being kept alive, mind you). Saurfang jr didn't get the treatment, and he got turned into a DK.

Is Bolvar not an Undead? Mind you not a Scourge or a Forsaken but I thought he was (so far) a unique undead created by being blighted and dragonflamed not that he was alive in the traditional sense.
If only there was an expansion where they could have delved into this and (charred) fleshed him out a bit. Oh well.

[Kiria]

You and me both Between cancer taking our guild leader 5 years ago and covid taking a couple members...our guild has died. I am alone, I do not like nor do I raid or run dungeons...my choice. I enjoy questing, gathering, exploring....no hassle, no stress....just enjoy the game, don't worry about having to be the best this or that or having the best whatever...enjoy. It's a GAME...it affects your real life in no way. Play the way you want, do what you want and that means everyone. You're no better than me and I'm no better than you.

I am so sorry to hear about the horrible things that has befallen your guildmates, I hope you're doing ok in yourself it can't be easy.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Googling it shows it appears in Twilight of the Aspects. I'm amazed that now we are arguing over if "Heal what others cannot" means healing or not. Seriously. Just admit you were wrong instead.

So you think every kind of healing is the same thing? That a forest fire burning away old and dying plants so new ones can grow is the same thing as mending a wound on a person?

Because both are healing but they are obviously still very different and the red's are known for one over the other.

[Raetary]

Not thematically including the reds in the healing spec just reeks of a lack of creativity.
They left the blacks out because they couldn't think of a way to distinguish them from the reds, so they just shoved the reds magic into the dps spec.

We could've got some nice, unique red healing related spell effects instead of just 'green healing spec #4'.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Is Bolvar not an Undead? Mind you not a Scourge or a Forsaken but I thought he was (so far) a unique undead created by being blighted and dragonflamed not that he was alive in the traditional sense.
If only there was an expansion where they could have delved into this and (charred) fleshed him out a bit. Oh well.

he's not technically undead he's stuck between the two he was never resurrected he just never died but isn't quite alive.

[ChairmanKaga]

he's not technically undead he's stuck between the two he was never resurrected he just never died but isn't quite alive.

I'm not sure they are sure what he is. His quote at the top of this wiki seems to indicate he did "die". I'm definitely bummed this wasn't somehow explored a bit more in SL. Maybe they just want to avoid the can of worms Red Dragonfire as another avenue of resurrection would be.

[therumblings]

I'm thankful we got Bronze healing at least, that's such a cool and unique concept that would have been the biggest missed opportunity for Evokers.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I'm not sure they are sure what he is. His quote at the top of this wiki seems to indicate he did "die". I'm definitely bummed this wasn't somehow explored a bit more in SL. Maybe they just want to avoid the can of worms Red Dragonfire as another avenue of resurrection would be.

ah then I'm guessing they retconned it with shadowlands as prior they said he was stuck between life and death.

here I found the quote down in the references.

the idea for Bolvar's appearance could be likened to pirate Raithen of the Diablo novel The Black Road. Burned to death by the Demon Kabraxxis's fire, then resurrected by traces of a spell the demon used to raise skeletons, he walked the line between dead and alive. This is similar to Bolvar: Doomed to die by the Forsaken attack, but held in a living state by the red dragons' fire.

[Hitei]

I'm thankful we got Bronze healing at least, that's such a cool and unique concept that would have been the biggest missed opportunity for Evokers.

I honestly think Bronze healing is super generic and it would have been more interesting as a DPS spec using a mix of sand-attacks and temporal decay, echoes, etc.

[ChairmanKaga]

I honestly think Bronze healing is super generic and it would have been more interesting as a DPS spec using a mix of sand-attacks and temporal decay, echoes, etc.

Not sure it can look interesting graphically in game but rewinding time to undo wounds seems interesting as an idea.

[Hitei]

Not sure it can look interesting graphically in game but rewinding time to undo wounds seems interesting as an idea.

I just think reversing damage is the most obvious and (for lack of a better term) "entry level" use of time magic.

[ChairmanKaga]

here I found the quote down in the references.

The assumed upcoming Alliance undead AR being similar to Bolvar as dragonfire/undead would have been more interesting to me than what may be coming.