Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Rathwell]

ah then I'm guessing they retconned it with shadowlands as prior they said he was stuck between life and death.

here I found the quote down in the references.

That sounds... Odd. Am I missing some lore here, or why would the dragons' fire keep him alive? I thought the purpose of what the dragons did was to cleanse the battlefield in the sense of destroying it entirely? Did this not in the process also kill all remaining forces at Wrathgate? Does red dragons' fire have rejuvenating properties?

[Sondrelk]

That sounds... Odd. Am I missing some lore here, or why would the dragons' fire keep him alive? I thought the purpose of what the dragons did was to cleanse the battlefield in the sense of destroying it entirely? Did this not in the process also kill all remaining forces at Wrathgate? Does red dragons' fire have rejuvenating properties?

It heals those alive, and damages undead. Bolvar was in the process of becoming a ghoul and so ended up in this weird state where the dragonflame kept him alive while simultaneously damaging him.

[rhorle]

So you think every kind of healing is the same thing? That a forest fire burning away old and dying plants so new ones can grow is the same thing as mending a wound on a person? Because both are healing but they are obviously still very different and the red's are known for one over the other.

So if both are healing then they are both healing, right? Remember you said the Red flight isn't a healing flight. So which is it they can heal or they can't? Red is a flight that was blessed by Eonar the same as the Green flight. They heal differently but they still heal.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So if both are healing then they are both healing, right? Remember you said the Red flight isn't a healing flight. So which is it they can heal or they can't? Like I said you are just splitting hairs over what healing is so you don't have to admit that you were wrong about the Red flight being a healing one.

So you just want to ignore all context of the topic and say "healing is healing" even though it's obviously they aren't the same thing and no one means prescribed burning when talking about healing specs and magics?

Sure if that's what you need to get through the day they are in fact a healing flight and I'm sure wounded soldiers will be happy to know that there ashes will grow a wonderful forest.

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That sounds... Odd. Am I missing some lore here, or why would the dragons' fire keep him alive? I thought the purpose of what the dragons did was to cleanse the battlefield in the sense of destroying it entirely? Did this not in the process also kill all remaining forces at Wrathgate? Does red dragons' fire have rejuvenating properties?

there's no real explanation bolvar is a one off of blight+dragon fire as every one else could already be dead while he was dying. but it could be there is some interaction the blight and dragon fire or him being a pally or any other number of things but as they seemingly retconned it so he did actually die we will likely never have a clear answer and he might just be a weird undead.

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It heals those alive, and damages undead. Bolvar was in the process of becoming a ghoul and so ended up in this weird state where the dragonflame kept him alive while simultaneously damaging him.

Bolvar was never turning into a ghoul blight kills living and undead alike it has no necromantic priority's and the lichking had already pulled back and wasn't raising any one by the time the dragons came.

[Alanar]

What conclusion? This was just an observation. Venthyr use a few blood elf hairstyles.

Like, which one?

[Ersula]

Like, which one?

Venthyr females use the pixie, tiara & bangs blood elf female hairstyles. If those fit, its highly likely the reverse also works. And Venthyr hairstyles would be pretty thematically compatible with Darkfallen

[Vakir]

So, what was Living World? A taste of 11.0?

I'm assuming weather/atmospheric effect systems in Dragon Isles to go with the "world is waking up" factor.

[FossilFree]

Bronze healing doesn't just have to rewind time, it could also fast forward time. Locally speeding up healing on a wound by making days or weeks of natural healing happen almost instantly. The wound would look like it's sealing itself shut and blending back in with healthy tissue in real time.

[rhorle]

So you just want to ignore all context of the topic and say "healing is healing" even though it's obviously they aren't the same thing and no one means prescribed burning when talking about healing specs and magics? Sure if that's what you need to get through the day they are in fact a healing flight and I'm sure wounded soldiers will be happy to know that there ashes will grow a wonderful forest.

Lore states that the red flight can heal and was given their gift from the same source as the green flight. All you are doing is throwing a tantrum about different types of healing because you got called out as being wrong by lore. It being a different type of healing magic is irrelevant to what it is associated with by the Flight. Both the Green and Red flights were gifted healing abilities from Eonar. Ysera is also deeply tied to nature magic healing rather then wound care and the like because of her association with the emerald dream.

Not to mention your claim would mean that Druids can't heal people because they use nature magic and similar to what Alexstraza is shown to do.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not to mention your claim would mean that Druids can't heal people because they use nature magic and similar to what Alexstraza is shown to do.

Last time I checked druid's didn't light stuff on fire burn it to ash and then have new life sprout from the said ashes.

Though I suppose druids of the flame might.

[rhorle]

Last time I checked druid's didn't light stuff on fire burn it to ash and then have new life sprout from the said ashes. Though I suppose druids of the flame might.

So your entire basis for why it isn't healing magic is "fire"? Even when the red flight still manipulates nature the same way as Druids? How do you think Ysera, and the greens, heal with their fire? Or is it now the color that makes the difference with fire?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So your entire basis for why it isn't healing magic is "fire"? Even when the red flight still manipulates nature the same way as Druids? How do you think Ysera, and the greens, heal with their fire? Or is it now the color that makes the difference with fire?

No the basis would be that while prescribed burning is a way to clear corruption and heal the land it's obviously not the same thing as a druid using swiftmend on a person to heal a wound.

But if you want to say "healing is healing" So it's the same thing ignoring all other context go for it.

[rhorle]

But if you want to say "healing is healing" So it's the same thing ignoring all other context go for it.

But healing is healing. You are saying something isn't healing if it uses X methods to heal and that healing requires Y method only. That mages Cauterize isn't healing them because it uses fire when it allows them to survive a fatal hit and heal for a small percentage. I'm not ignore any context here. It doesn't matter if there are dozens of different ways to heal. It is all the same in the end, healing.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But healing is healing. You are saying something isn't healing if it uses X methods to heal and that healing requires Y method only. That mages Cauterize isn't healing them because it uses fire when it allows them to survive a fatal hit and heal for a small percentage. I'm not ignore any context here. It doesn't matter if there are dozens of different ways to heal. It is all the same in the end, healing.

Yes absolutely I am saying something isn't healing if it uses X method because the context in question is healing magics and specs and how they apply to combat not just healing over all because that's a meaningless thing to talk about as say burning a forsaken to death and then growing flowers out of the corpse isn't a useful thing for a healer to do to a party member.

But if you want to say they are a healing flight because they will kill you and then the land will be better for it your technically not wrong even if its a meaningless thing to say.

[plz delete account]

Bjoramier, I love you

[rhorle]

Yes absolutely I am saying something isn't healing if it uses X method because the context in question is healing magics and specs and how they apply to combat not just healing over all because that's a meaningless thing to talk about as say burning a forsaken to death and then growing flowers out of the corpse isn't a useful thing for a healer to do to a party member.

The amusing part is that the Light makes a forsaken feel like they are burning to death every time it heals them. Your concepts for healing in Warcraft do not match the actual lore of the universe. Not to mention your comments were not about hyper specific scenarios but that Healing was not part of the Red Flight. Which is objectively false given the lore.

It also over looks how Druids can heal without growing flowers out of a corpse because Nature magic is not restricted as you keep trying to claim. Healing is Healing but the methods differ. This isn't even a foreign concept to RPG or writing since "Purified by Fire" is a common enough thing.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The amusing part is that the Light makes a forsaken feel like they are burning to death every time it heals them.

Do you see no difference between feeling like you are burning and actually being burned to death?

It also over looks how Druids can heal without growing flowers out of a corpse

could you point me towards all the red dragon druids? or are we just to assume any one who uses nature magic has all of the same abilities?

[rhorle]

could you point me towards all the red dragon druids? or are we just to assume any one who uses nature magic has all of the same abilities?

So if nature magic can do something then why can't the red flight use nature magic to do that as well? The green flight wasn't about healing but about nature. They received their gifts from Eonar the same as the red flight.

What about the red dragon that healed the corruption of a black dragon egg? You know the story of how Wrathion was born. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Rheastrasza

What about a Red Dragon healing other red dragons? https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Draconic_Mending and https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Vermillion_Mender

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So if nature magic can do something then why can't the red flight use nature magic to do that as well? The green flight wasn't about healing but about nature. They received their gifts from Eonar the same as the red flight.

I don't know why cant Shamans turn into bears and cats?

What about the red dragon that healed the corruption of a black dragon egg? You know the story of how Wrathion was born. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Rheastrasza

You know Rhea didn't Heal the egg right? she researched ways to then had a gnome improve on her research she didn't use any sort of dragon magic to heal it.

I made a calculated decision in revealing my identity to you, <name>. I needed you to trust me, but I can no longer stay here in Lethlor Ravine, as my cover has quite clearly been blown.

You may be able to slip away unnoticed, however. Here, take the results of our research, and bring them west. At Agmond's End, you will find a gnome who knows what to do with these samples.

Hurry, <name>! You mustn't loiter here any longer than necessary!

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The...le_Doctor_Blam

<Dr. Blam stares at the egg in awed silence, blinks a few times, then looks up at you.>

D... did you see that? Incredible! My titan thing idea worked! With your help, of course.

We'll want to get these back to Rhea. She's not at Lethlor Ravine any more; it sounds like she blew her cover pretty well when she transformed into her true form in front of all those whelps. She's now in the west, staying at an Alliance camp called Dragon's Mouth.

She'll be waiting for you. And that egg.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Int...agon%27s_Mouth

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What about a Red Dragon healing other red dragons? https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Draconic_Mending and https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Vermillion_Mender

The mender's aren't dragons they are dragon spawn which are mortals changed by interacting with the flight's.

@Loreology Dragonmen = Drakonids? To create dragonmen without Nefarian’s influence possible?” “Metzen has ruled that they are separate races from the dragon race. They became dragonspawn and drakonid thanks to the dragons they served (via intentional alteration or via “unintended side effect of hanging out with dragons”).”

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dra...wn#cite_note-3

[rhorle]

The mender's aren't dragons they are dragon spawn which are mortals changed by interacting with the flight's.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dra...wn#cite_note-3

So they aren't using the power of the filghts that changed them? Lol.