Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hugnomo]

The assumption is that she will wake up during the time frame of WoW. It could take 1 year for her to wake up (very convenient) or it could also take a billion years.

I feel like her waking up at the end of the expac feels right. Probably motivate some radical world revamp or some other fundamental change for the 10th expansion of the game.

[elderu]

5 gold says Undermine ends up being a mega dungeon in 10.1 as gallywix takes it over after his deal he made in Tazavesh.

Small bet for such a likely scenario

Uldaman -> Undermine which will be revealed to be part of Mimiron's kajamite mining efforts that predated the Goblin/Troll uprisings.

Gadget-Goblins in 10.3.5, Tinkers w/ tank spec in 11.0 revamp.

[Varodoc]

I feel like her waking up at the end of the expac feels right. Probably motivate some radical world revamp or some other fundamental change for the 10th expansion of the game.

I doubt Dragonflight will have such a massive, significant, groundbreaking ending... it genuinely looks like a slice of life fun filler expansion. I can't see it having any major ramifications for the overarching storyline.

They also said that they want to go back to a high fantasy and grounded story with this expansion, such an ending would not fit the general thematic.

[Hugnomo]

I doubt Dragonflight will have such a massive, significant, groundbreaking ending... it genuinely looks like a slice of life fun filler expansion. I can't see it having any major ramifications for the overarching storyline.

They also said that they want to go back to a high fantasy and grounded story with this expansion, such an ending would not fit the general thematic.

Yeah that's completely valid and reasonable. I guess it's just a gut feeling I have.

[Nebron]

No, just more reading things into it. "the world", not Azeroth the Titan. The place was abandoned when the elemental energies weakened, now they're coming back.

Well, possibly. Not that I claim that literal "awakening" will happen this expansion. I'd assume that quoted 'waking up' is more like a prelude to what could eventually happen.

Also, could you please remind me of when the elemental energies weakened? Is it somewhat connected to Cataclysm, or that Ancient War?

Nevertheless, I kinda find it cheesy, yet poetic that the 'world is waking up' - like a new beginning, a new era for WoW? The world has been destroyed by Cataclysm, invaded by Legion, impaled with what sword, experienced BfA bullshit and now it seems like a perfect opportunity for renewal.

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I doubt Dragonflight will have such a massive, significant, groundbreaking ending... it genuinely looks like a slice of life fun filler expansion. I can't see it having any major ramifications for the overarching storyline.

They also said that they want to go back to a high fantasy and grounded story with this expansion, such an ending would not fit the general thematic.

I do agree with that Vardoc.
Yet, I have a feeling in my guts, that the 'safe' approach they took has some logic behind it. They try to experiment with removal of 'so-called' borrowed power. There's the talent system return. UI update, possibly an improvement of how flying could work in the future. It looks to me like laying a foundation for a new approach of game design in a long-term. Also, taking less risk gives them a freedom of adding more content when it's needed rather than underserving.

I believe that Murozond is the final baddie. Revamp is quite possible, yet it cannot happen just like that, they need a story-wise reason for that. Murozond pushing us into the future (couple of years) seems like an opportunity to make revamp happen.

[Syegfryed]

Dragonmaw specialize in killing and enslaving dragons, neither of which will be beneficial here.

They don't enslave dragons anymore, they tame then.

Specialize in killing and taming means you especialize on then, you know then, their habits, their behaviours, how to deal with then, how to not upset then, etc.

AND, we are going to fight evil dragons, not all dragons will be intelligent, they will attack us, even their skillset of killing then would be of great use.

[huth]

Well, possibly. Not that I claim that literal "awakening" will happen this expansion. I'd assume that quoted 'waking up' is more like a prelude to what could eventually happen.

Also, could you please remind me of when the elemental energies weakened? Is it somewhat connected to Cataclysm, or that Ancient War?

10,000 years ago, when the Dragon Isles were abandoned?


That aside, i think Dragonflight is in many ways an attempt to get back to the basics. I'm certain they will eventually build up on that again, but it feels like they're trying to get a solid foundation to build on in 10.0.

[Veluren]

They don't enslave dragons anymore, they tame then.

Specialize in killing and taming means you especialize on then, you know then, their habits, their behaviours, how to deal with then, how to not upset then, etc.

AND, we are going to fight evil dragons, not all dragons will be intelligent, they will attack us, even their skillset of killing then would be of great use.

Don't they still use a fragment of the demon chain to subjugate twilight dragons though? I know by the time of MOP they've moved on to less-intelligent protodrakes because all the twilights have died/gone into hiding, but they still show a willingness to use the artifact that bound Alexstrasza, I'd imagine that wouldn't earn them any brownie points on the isles.

Also even on proto-drakes there's still some dodgy implications on "taming" something that can self-determine.

[Trazzle]

I wonder if the mobile game will have enough to do with the WoW IP to relate… the promo thumbnail was quite techy… maybe we’ll get news on the pre-order package on Tuesday too.

One can hope!

[Reinhart11]

Don't they still use a fragment of the demon chain to subjugate twilight dragons though? I know by the time of MOP they've moved on to less-intelligent protodrakes because all the twilights have died/gone into hiding, but they still show a willingness to use the artifact that bound Alexstrasza, I'd imagine that wouldn't earn them any brownie points on the isles.

Also even on proto-drakes there's still some dodgy implications on "taming" something that can self-determine.

Zaela was the last dragonmaw who used the chain. We don't know what happened to the artifact.

The Dragonmaw are a no brainer. Have a group of Dragonmaw, who use the demon chain enslave red dragons. And have a group of Horde Dragonmaw under Gorfax Angerfang and Koaks leadership free these enslaved red dragons for Alexstrasza, showing that they consider their proto drake mounts as companions(as Koak learned with his cloud serpent in MoP), not as slaves. Done.

I really hope they don't waste Undermine as a dungeon in a patch. That be another massive waste of old lore...

[Revamp Man]

I wonder if the mobile game will have enough to do with the WoW IP to relate… the promo thumbnail was quite techy… maybe we’ll get news on the pre-order package on Tuesday too.

One can hope!

its a tinker type game similar to clash of clans

the second game is like pokemon go but only in the way that you spot random characters in the world and "gyms" are strongholds helld by you and your allies where you place your characters in to hold

[draugril]

I doubt Dragonflight will have such a massive, significant, groundbreaking ending... it genuinely looks like a slice of life fun filler expansion. I can't see it having any major ramifications for the overarching storyline.

They also said that they want to go back to a high fantasy and grounded story with this expansion, such an ending would not fit the general thematic.

They said the same about BfA and we Kamehameha’d an Old God at the end.

[ExiHext]

They said the same about BfA and we Kamehameha’d an Old God at the end.

So even in a grounded expac epic moments are not allowed...understood. Let's get back to beating with sticks on each other's heads.

[Black Rider]

I wonder if Uldaman is complete rework

[Therougetitan]

I wonder if Uldaman is complete rework

It was described as a different wing so it will probably be separate although they could rework the old one anyways

[Makabreska]

Uldaman is cool and shit, but I keep hoping they hard rework Dire Maul already.

[Sondrelk]

It was described as a different wing so it will probably be separate although they could rework the old one anyways

I am going to guess it will be half old, half new stuff.
Might have to check Uldaman again to see where this new dungeon will end up.

[Nymrohd]

Uldaman is cool and shit, but I keep hoping they hard rework Dire Maul already.

That would be interesting. Honestly in a Revamp it'd be a cool idea to make it an actual Night Elf city now that the Highborne joined with the rest of the Night Elves.

[Alanar]

I doubt Dragonflight will have such a massive, significant, groundbreaking ending... it genuinely looks like a slice of life fun filler expansion. I can't see it having any major ramifications for the overarching storyline.

They also said that they want to go back to a high fantasy and grounded story with this expansion, such an ending would not fit the general thematic.

They already told us.. its slowly building up like mop.

Wise words, but an obvious no... Anything could happen, even that stupid sword could play a role. Ofc you cant see it as we dont know anything lmao.

[huth]

They said the same about BfA and we Kamehameha’d an Old God at the end.

Which compared to what happened in previous expansions, wasn't really that out there. We killed our first Old God back in Vanilla.