Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So they aren't using the power of the filghts that changed them? Lol.

They could be using any number of powers as there just isn’t enough lore on them and there change to tell us how they work at the moment.

Saying they got healing powers from the red flight is no more or less valid then saying they were all priest and are Using the light to heal as we just don’t have any real info on them.

[rhorle]

Saying they got healing powers from the red flight is no more or less valid then saying they were all priest and are Using the light to heal as we just don’t have any real info on them.

So they get transformed by the Flights but don't get any power in the process. It is amazing how you say you need lore to explicitly state something while this entire discussion is about you dismissing lore explicitly stating the Red Flight can heal.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So they get transformed by the Flights but don't get any power in the process. It is amazing how you say you need lore to explicitly state something while this entire discussion is about you dismissing lore explicitly stating the Red Flight can heal.

we don’t know if they get powers or not as there isn’t lore on the subject as of yet, if you want to make up that they do go for it I can’t stop you.

[draugril]

Your whole premise is that the Life dragonflight doesn’t heal when two of the currently most visible lore characters exist as a direct product of their healing.

Hell, Alexstrasza herself is one of the best healers in HotS.

[rhorle]

we don’t know if they get powers or not as there isn’t lore on the subject as of yet, if you want to make up that they do go for it I can’t stop you.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The...of_Alexstrasza
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Hope_Yet_Remains

What about these quests then? It indicates that Alexstrasza and her power can heal pretty much the same as any other healing magic in WoW. While they are a tribute to an employee that died they are still canon when as confirmed by Blizzard in a Shadowlands interview. His soul was bound to the realm of light.

http://lorekeeper.net/en/maldraxxus-...steve-danuser/

[The Stormbringer]

I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but in a recent interview Blizz revealed that Rogues, Priests, and Mages will be available to all races in the future (aside from Dracthyr presumably) starting in Patch 10.0.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The...of_Alexstrasza
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Hope_Yet_Remains

What about these quests then? It indicates that Alexstrasza and her power can heal pretty much the same as any other healing magic in WoW. While they are a tribute to an employee that died they are still canon when as confirmed by Blizzard in a Shadowlands interview. His soul was bound to the realm of light.

http://lorekeeper.net/en/maldraxxus-...steve-danuser/

I’d say it indicates the opposite, “cleansing the body in favor of life anew” the hesitation about the effects on one’s body and it not being the salvation that we seek makes all of it come across as a prescribed burn like we see at the wrath gate where she thinks his body will be consumed but will atleast be saved form undeath.

That or he’d have a similar fate as bolvar not healed but also unable to die stuck inbetween not having a great time.

[rhorle]

That or he’d have a similar fate as bolvar not healed but also unable to die stuck inbetween not having a great time.

And yet he didn't meet that fate when he tried to use her magic to be healed. Strange how your conclusion isn't actually supported by the quests themselves. You keep hyper focusing on prescribed burn when it has been shown that isn't what her power is about. She has the same power as Ysera which you readily accept as being normal healing even though they are both the same mastery over life and nature.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And yet he didn't meet that fate when he tried to use her magic to be healed. Strange how your conclusion isn't actually supported by the quests themselves. You keep hyper focusing on prescribed burn when it has been shown that isn't what her power is about. She has the same power as Ysera which you readily accept as being normal healing even though they are both the same mastery over life and nature.

Yes and he also wasn’t healed your conclusion is just as unsupported as my own.

We are both grasping at our own interruptions neither of which are supported by the quest just like the dragonkin.

[rhorle]

Yes and he always wasn’t healed your conclusion is just as unsupported as my own.

Her magic was used in an attempt to cure turning into an undead. It didn't cause death and only flowers to appear in response. It was attempting to heal the same as any other healing would. The quest line first goes to Keeper Remulos. Then Alexstraza. Then the Naaru who also couldn't heal it but bound the soul instead.

The quest supports the magic of the Red Dragonflight being able to heal. The lore supports it. So the only one grasping at straws is yourself who continually finds a way to deny in an effort to save face because you originally claimed the Red Dragonflight had nothing to do with healing.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Her magic was used in an attempt to cure turning into an undead. It didn't cause death and only flowers to appear in response. It was attempting to heal the same as any other healing would. The quest line first goes to Keeper Remulos. Then Alexstraza. Then the Naaru who also couldn't heal it but bound the soul instead

The quest supports the magic of the Red Dragonflight being able to heal. The lore supports it. So the only one grasping at straws is yourself who continually finds a way to deny in an effort to save face because you originally claimed the Red Dragonflight had nothing to do with healing.

it's used in an attempt to cleanse his body so new life can grow with alex her self unsure if a persons body can endure and warning against it being what you may want.

You say that's healing I say it's the same as what happens at the wrath gate, Neither happen Neither is supported by the quest. Just like with the dragonsworn the wraithon quest all nature magic users being able to do the same thing or ysera and alex having the same powers or any thing else you can keep pretending that all this stuff acts exactly how you want it to but its still all unsupported.

[rhorle]

it's used in an attempt to cleanse his body so new life can grow with alex her self unsure if a persons body can endure and warning against it being what you may want.

No. It is used to save him from dying and turning into an undead creature not to create new life. Lol. The quest says that Alexstrasza is unsure if the body will be left unchanged in the process. And not that the body is required to be changed. Because again the premise is that plague of undeath is hard to cure. Even the Naaru can't save him and merely binds his soul.

Ysera and Alexstrasza have the same powers because they were given the same power by Eonar. Ysera was charged with the Emerald Dream while Alexstrasza was charged with all life. It is why she got the same title as Eonar. They both have power over Nature and use Nature. It isn't pretending and it is supported by the lore as I've already pointed out to you.

You are bound to the waking Dream of Creation. Nature is your realm, and all things have caught glimpses of the Emerald Dream when they sleep. You see them all, Ysera. And they see you, though they may not know it. Like the Life-Binder, you touch all living beings, and sing to them the songs of creation and interconnectedness. - Blessing of the Green Aspec

This is my gift: compassion for all living things. A drive to protect and nurture them. And the ability to heal that which others cannot, birth what others may not, and love even the unlovable--who surely need such grace more than any other souls. - Blessing of the Red Aspect

That is from pages 285-287 of Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects. So please tell me how that is pretending and unsupported?

[Revamp Man]

I dont get these "there is nothing to do for solo / casual players"

They explicitly said they want to continue with the 9.2 philosophies e.g. cypher system for open world in 10.0. Thats a lot of solo content for every zone. In the asmon interview Ion said they are not happy how they catered to casual players in the last expansions to there will be a lot more to do in DF for them.

shhhhh
stop undermining their outrage

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No. It is used to save him from dying and turning into an undead creature not to create new life. Lol. The quest says that Alexstrasza is unsure if the body will be left unchanged in the process. And not that the body is required to be changed. Because again the premise is that plague of undeath is hard to cure. Even the Naaru can't save him and merely binds his soul.

so let's quote the actual quest.

You must understand, young <race>, that cleansing the body in favor of life anew is something well within my grasp... removing the plague of undeath without affecting the body, however, is beyond the scope of the powers that I control.

If this Bridenbrad is the beacon of light that you profess him to be, perhaps he will endure such a cleansing and thrive, but I cannot state with confidence that this is the salvation that you seek. Take it and go with all of my blessings.

so exactly what I just paraphrased.

Ysera and Alexstrasza have the same powers because they were given the same power by Eonar. Ysera was charged with the Emerald Dream while Alexstrasza was charged with all life. It is why she got the same title as Eonar. They both have power over Nature and use Nature. It isn't pretending and it is supported by the lore as I've already pointed out to you.


That is from pages 285-287 of Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects. So please tell me how that is pretending and unsupported?

I mean your own quotes prove it unsupported and they don't have the same powers.

Yesra is Bound to the dream while Alex is not, and Alex's literally says "what others can not" So thank you for proving me right.

[rhorle]

so let's quote the actual quest. so exactly what I just paraphrased.

Right. He endured but just wasn't cured. So you are entirely wrong that it requires destruction and new life. Since he went through the process of her magic with out being destroyed or being turned into something new. Weird that you claim that is what happened, right?

I mean your own quotes prove it unsupported and they don't have the same powers.

Their powers came from the same source. Ysera didn't create the emerald dream but was merely appointed its guardian. Alexstraza was appointed the guardian of Life on Azeroth. They are sisters both in life and power. So it isn't unsupported that they share the same power source and were empowered with the same stuff. From Chronicles:

After the defeat of Galakrond, Eonar channeled her power through Freya and into Alexstrasza and Ysera, gifting them respectively with powers over life and the Emerald Dream, transforming them into the noble Dragon Aspects; Alexstrasza herself would be known as the greatest of the dragons, as well as the Life-Binder, and her red dragonflight would fight to protect and safeguard all life just as Eonar had

[shoc]

I think trying to rectify Metzen's lore with Danuser's new shit you're on a fools errand that will only lead to despair

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Right. He endured but just wasn't cured. So you are entirely wrong that it requires destruction and new life. Since he went through the process of her magic with out being destroyed or being turned into something new. Weird that you claim that is what happened, right?

you must be aware that if my statement is that it's like a prescribed burn and it requires destruction for new growth then some one not being destroyed and not being healed doesn't make me wrong right? it just means the process failed in this case.

just like how you say it heals but that also doesn't happen if it was actually just regular healing it failing in this situation wouldn't make you entirely wrong.

Their powers came from the same source. Ysera didn't create the emerald dream but was merely appointed its guardian. Alexstraza was appointed the guardian of Life on Azeroth. They are sisters both in life and power. So it isn't unsupported that they share the same power source and were empowered with the same stuff. From Chronicles:

The titan's powers all come from the same source (arcane) they do not have the same powers, druids and shaman's both have powers from nature, they do not have the same powers ect ect ect.

Yesra and Alex having the same source of there powers is supported but just like all the other example's the idea that just having the same source of power gives them the same powers is unsupported as your own Twilight of the Aspects quotes prove as Alex is not bound to the dream and and do what others can not.

[rhorle]

you must be aware that if my statement is that it's like a prescribed burn and it requires destruction for new growth then some one not being destroyed and not being healed doesn't make me wrong right? it just means the process failed in this case..

It healed him a little bit though so it didn't fail. It just wasn't strong enough to heal him all the way. So once again you are wrong.

"It was nearly as painful as it looked, but it was as if I could feel some of the corruption being burnt away from within my body."

Yesra and Alex having the same source of there powers is supported but just like all the other example's the idea that just having the same source of power gives them the same powers is unsupported as your own Twilight of the Aspects quotes prove as Alex is not bound to the dream and and do what others can not.

So Eonar gave Alexstraza the power over life but not the ability to heal at all? Alexstraza doesn't have to be bound to the dream to have the same source of powers. That is like saying all mages have to be Titans because they draw upon Arcane power as well.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I healed him a little bit though so it didn't fail. It just wasn't strong enough to heal him all the way. So once again you are wrong.

"It was nearly as painful as it looked, but it was as if I could feel some of the corruption being burnt away from within my body."

“as if I could feel” just like when you tired to use the forsaken and the light as an example feeling like you are on fire and being on fire are not the same thing.

There’s no indication that it had any actual healing effect.

So Eonar gave Alexstraza the power over life but not the ability to heal at all? Your claims are what is not supported by lore. Alexstraza doesn't have to be bound to the dream to have the same source of powers. That is like saying all mages have to be Titans because they draw upon Arcane power as well. You keep creating weird rules and logic leaps to say that lore isn't actually lore.

the source of the power isn’t what’s in question it’s them having the same powers. In this case you are the one saying all mages are titans because there power is from the same source not me, Im saying that even though the source of power is the same that does not mean they have the same powers.

[rhorle]

There’s no indication that it had any actual healing effect.

There is an indication. You are just dismissing it which is entirely different from it not actually existing. Strange, right?

the source of the power isn’t what’s in question it’s them having the same powers. In this case you are the one saying all mages are titans because there power is from the same source not me, Im saying that even though the source of power is the same that does not mean they have the same powers.

Again. What is power over life if it doesn't include the ability to heal? I am saying all mages can use arcane magic because of the source of their magic. Just like Eonar is the source of the Red and Green flights magic. Just like the Red can Heal because they use Life and Nature magic. Just like the Green can Heal because they use Life and Nature magic. Ysera doesn't derive power from the Dream only protects it. Just as the Red protect life on Azeroth.