Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[choom]

I think trying to rectify Metzen's lore with Danuser's new shit you're on a fools errand that will only lead to despair

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Right. He endured but just wasn't cured. So you are entirely wrong that it requires destruction and new life. Since he went through the process of her magic with out being destroyed or being turned into something new. Weird that you claim that is what happened, right?

you must be aware that if my statement is that it's like a prescribed burn and it requires destruction for new growth then some one not being destroyed and not being healed doesn't make me wrong right? it just means the process failed in this case.

just like how you say it heals but that also doesn't happen if it was actually just regular healing it failing in this situation wouldn't make you entirely wrong.

Their powers came from the same source. Ysera didn't create the emerald dream but was merely appointed its guardian. Alexstraza was appointed the guardian of Life on Azeroth. They are sisters both in life and power. So it isn't unsupported that they share the same power source and were empowered with the same stuff. From Chronicles:

The titan's powers all come from the same source (arcane) they do not have the same powers, druids and shaman's both have powers from nature, they do not have the same powers ect ect ect.

Yesra and Alex having the same source of there powers is supported but just like all the other example's the idea that just having the same source of power gives them the same powers is unsupported as your own Twilight of the Aspects quotes prove as Alex is not bound to the dream and and do what others can not.

[rhorle]

you must be aware that if my statement is that it's like a prescribed burn and it requires destruction for new growth then some one not being destroyed and not being healed doesn't make me wrong right? it just means the process failed in this case..

It healed him a little bit though so it didn't fail. It just wasn't strong enough to heal him all the way. So once again you are wrong.

"It was nearly as painful as it looked, but it was as if I could feel some of the corruption being burnt away from within my body."

Yesra and Alex having the same source of there powers is supported but just like all the other example's the idea that just having the same source of power gives them the same powers is unsupported as your own Twilight of the Aspects quotes prove as Alex is not bound to the dream and and do what others can not.

So Eonar gave Alexstraza the power over life but not the ability to heal at all? Alexstraza doesn't have to be bound to the dream to have the same source of powers. That is like saying all mages have to be Titans because they draw upon Arcane power as well.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I healed him a little bit though so it didn't fail. It just wasn't strong enough to heal him all the way. So once again you are wrong.

"It was nearly as painful as it looked, but it was as if I could feel some of the corruption being burnt away from within my body."

“as if I could feel” just like when you tired to use the forsaken and the light as an example feeling like you are on fire and being on fire are not the same thing.

There’s no indication that it had any actual healing effect.

So Eonar gave Alexstraza the power over life but not the ability to heal at all? Your claims are what is not supported by lore. Alexstraza doesn't have to be bound to the dream to have the same source of powers. That is like saying all mages have to be Titans because they draw upon Arcane power as well. You keep creating weird rules and logic leaps to say that lore isn't actually lore.

the source of the power isn’t what’s in question it’s them having the same powers. In this case you are the one saying all mages are titans because there power is from the same source not me, Im saying that even though the source of power is the same that does not mean they have the same powers.

[rhorle]

There’s no indication that it had any actual healing effect.

There is an indication. You are just dismissing it which is entirely different from it not actually existing. Strange, right?

the source of the power isn’t what’s in question it’s them having the same powers. In this case you are the one saying all mages are titans because there power is from the same source not me, Im saying that even though the source of power is the same that does not mean they have the same powers.

Again. What is power over life if it doesn't include the ability to heal? I am saying all mages can use arcane magic because of the source of their magic. Just like Eonar is the source of the Red and Green flights magic. Just like the Red can Heal because they use Life and Nature magic. Just like the Green can Heal because they use Life and Nature magic. Ysera doesn't derive power from the Dream only protects it. Just as the Red protect life on Azeroth.

[Alanar]

Venthyr females use the pixie, tiara & bangs blood elf female hairstyles. If those fit, its highly likely the reverse also works. And Venthyr hairstyles would be pretty thematically compatible with Darkfallen

Thats actually a human hairstyle originally. The tiara s are w pieces we can get since 9.2. They are brand new.

[Nyel]

Any examples? Talents sound nearly done, they just want feedback and are thinking of how to best release them. Dragonriding we saw in the preview and it seems to work just fine. They clearly have the tech for soulbound crafting working. No other systems other than these. It's a lot of UI work but from what we've heard the UI designers have been working on this for a long time now. The world itself is probably fairly far along, heck even in expacs that took their sweet time on beta, the world was almost done when the alpha went live.
Personally I also expect 2023 just early Q1 at this point. Alpha in early June, 6 months of testing.

Sorry for my late response.

Dracthyr and especially Evoker seemed very concept-y to me. There wasn't really much to show besides some concept art and a completely underwhelming and low-quality in game demonstration of them. Animations and spell effects need a ton of work from what we saw and we didn't see much.

We haven't seen more than a few frames from the continent, there will be 8 new dungeons, yet they have announced just three.

I mean they have the concept for Dragon riding, but it doesn't seem very far along (although it's a 100% rip off of Guild Wars 2 flying - just check this: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...tm_term=u7a8cr - don't get me wrong, GW2 mount system is excellent, so it's good that they're copyig at least the best available, but it's still a shameless copy with zero new takes or ideas). And while I think it's good that they're allowing usual flying later on, it just shows that they haven't really thought through Dragon riding at all, because they are already invalidating their work (which, let's be honest, is most likely just for Dragonflight again and gets abandoned later on).

Talent system is a massive work in process, alone due to balancing. And that we have interrupts in the spec tree is another issue they seem to not have figured out yet (we saw the Druid silence in the Balance tree) and that's something that should have been cleared the minute they came up with the "new" old talent system.

We don't have much information yet, pre-order still not available and we're stuck in quite some limbo and the announcement was two weeks ago. I expect Q1/23 not because I'm pessimistic, but because it's with all the evidence around the most likely and relatable time frame for a release. I just don't see a Q4 release as a goal they could achieve.

(I'm basing this on the only gameplay video I know of yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkw...orldofWarcraft)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There is an indication. You are just dismissing it which is entirely different from it not actually existing. Strange, right?

and that indication would be? Him feeling like something was burned away isn’t it just like a undead feeling like they are on fire when touched by the light isn’t a indication of them actually being on fire.

Again. What is power over life if it doesn't include the ability to heal? I am saying all mages can use arcane magic because of the source of their magic. Just like Eonar is the source of the Red and Green flights magic. Just like the Red can Heal because they use Life and Nature magic. Just like the Green can Heal because they use Life and Nature magic. Ysera doesn't derive power from the Dream only protects it. Just as the Red protect life on Azeroth.

that depends internally on what “life warder” is actually suppose to mean it could cover a massive range and we obviously aren’t going to agree on where that pin drops.

And saying arcane is the source so all mages can use it is not the same as saying Eonar/nature is the source so both fights have the same powers.

All of the titans use the same source of magic but that magic manifest in different ways which Leads them to having different powers. The same thing goes for the dragons Yesra doesn’t get power from the dream but the way the magic given to her by Eonar manifests is different which gives her ties to the dream that Alex does not have.

[rhorle]

and that indication would be? Him feeling like something was burned away isn’t it just like a undead feeling like they are on fire when touched by the light isn’t a indication of them actually being on fire.

So you acknowledge it is an indication of something but now argue it isn't an indication of the magic working a little bit. This is how we know you are being dismissive for the sake of it. When you are presented with irrefutable proof of an indication you then move to it being an indication of something else.

All of the titans use the same source of magic but that magic manifest in different ways which Leads them to having different powers. The same thing goes for the dragons Yesra doesn’t get power from the dream but the way the magic given to her by Eonar manifests is different which gives her ties to the dream that Alex does not have.

Eonar gave Ysera directly control over the Dream but that was not because she uses Life and Nature magic but because she was assigned that. Just as Alexstrasza was given control over life on Azoerth. Each Aspect was given a thing to protect in addition to the powers they have. I have never said both flights have the same exact powers. Only that both flights have power over Life and Nature and thus both flights can heal.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So you acknowledge it is an indication of something but now argue it isn't an indication of the magic working a little bit. This is how we know you are being dismissive for the sake of it. When you are presented with irrefutable proof of an indication you then move to it being an indication of something else.

I mean sure I guess?

I acknowledge that it indicates something was used on him even if that thing didn’t have the effect he felt just like I acknowledge the light was used on a undead who feels like they were on fire even though they weren’t on fire.

Eonar gave Ysera directly control over the Dream but that was not because she uses Life and Nature magic but because she was assigned that. Just as Alexstrasza was given control over life on Azoerth. Each Aspect was given a thing to protect in addition to the powers they have. I have never said both flights have the same exact powers. Only that both flights have power over Life and Nature and thus both flights can heal.

wait so you think they gave her control over the dream just cause and not because she uses nature magic? What was she suppose to do if they gave her deathwings powers and assigned her to the dream throw rocks at people until they woke up?

You also did say they have the same powers because they were given the same power by Eonar, but I’m sure you’ll just hand wave that away by saying you didn’t say “exact”.

[Lady Atia]

I dont get these "there is nothing to do for solo / casual players"

They explicitly said they want to continue with the 9.2 philosophies e.g. cypher system for open world in 10.0. Thats a lot of solo content for every zone. In the asmon interview Ion said they are not happy how they catered to casual players in the last expansions to there will be a lot more to do in DF for them.

Yeah, Ion even hinted that they would iterate on the Protoform Synthesis again. Paired with his comment about "everything with two, four or more legs will be a mount", maybe the new stables buildings in SW and Org are for that? Imagine if we could tame a base wild animal, craft a saddle and reins and use that to create mounts from open world content?

[Nymrohd]

Honestly I think Protoform Synthesis is crap. Getting one of the rare lattices or finding the rare reagents for the mounts should feel exciting but it doesn't because the actual issue almost always is Genesis Motes. You need such an insane number of motes.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, Ion even hinted that they would iterate on the Protoform Synthesis again. Paired with his comment about "everything with two, four or more legs will be a mount", maybe the new stables buildings in SW and Org are for that? Imagine if we could tame a base wild animal, craft a saddle and reins and use that to create mounts from open world content?

Did they not already say that the new stables are just to give a second pet trainer in Stormwind more central than the old one.

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Honestly I think Protoform Synthesis is crap. Getting one of the rare lattices or finding the rare reagents for the mounts should feel exciting but it doesn't because the actual issue almost always is Genesis Motes. You need such an insane number of motes.

That is an issue that coukd be easily fixed though. It isn't currently fixed in ZM for some reason, but it could be fixed, it isn't like there are fundamental problems with it.

[Lady Atia]

Honestly I think Protoform Synthesis is crap. Getting one of the rare lattices or finding the rare reagents for the mounts should feel exciting but it doesn't because the actual issue almost always is Genesis Motes. You need such an insane number of motes.

Yeah well that's why they should iterate on it. But the base premise of being able to tackle all the wildlive of an area and turn them into mounts is actually quite awesome.

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Did they not already say that the new stables are just to give a second pet trainer in Stormwind more central than the old one.

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That is an issue that coukd be easily fixed though. It isn't currently fixed in ZM for some reason, but it could be fixed, it isn't like there are fundamental problems with it.

Oh, where? Couldn't find any infos on the new stables in the interviews ^.^

[Sondrelk]

Yeah well that's why they should iterate on it. But the base premise of being able to tackle all the wildlive of an area and turn them into mounts is actually quite awesome.

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Oh, where? Couldn't find any infos on the new stables in the interviews ^.^

Think it was the very first changelog for the 9.2.5, so months back.
Could definitely be wrong though.

[Arafal]

Honestly I think Protoform Synthesis is crap. Getting one of the rare lattices or finding the rare reagents for the mounts should feel exciting but it doesn't because the actual issue almost always is Genesis Motes. You need such an insane number of motes.

Indeed, this current stick of just grinding until your fingers fall off is just lame.

Imo, they should've stuck with Mechagons formula and had WQs and dailies reward some motes and rare reagents.

[Lady Atia]

Indeed, this current stick of just grinding until your fingers fall off is just lame.

Imo, they should've stuck stuck with Mechagons formula and had WQs and dailies reward some motes and rare reagents.

No thanks, that would be far more worse than what we have now. I don't want to wait for a specific daily/worldquest/rare to be up just to grind a specific rare drop. Mechagon was horrible in that aspect.

[Arafal]

No thanks, that would be far more worse than what we have now. I don't want to wait for a specific daily/worldquest/rare to be up just to grind a specific rare drop. Mechagon was horrible in that aspect.

I'm sorry, but you can't convince me that spending hours upon hours grinding the same subzone with the same exact mobs over and over again could possibly be fun or engaging.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah well that's why they should iterate on it. But the base premise of being able to tackle all the wildlive of an area and turn them into mounts is actually quite awesome.

Honestly I am going to say, the way collections have gotten in WoW is no longer satisfying to me. Getting the collectible meta achievements in TI and even Naz'jatar felt so much more fun. The number of collectibles was much smaller, yes but it wasn't just collecting three or more of the same model in different colors through the same system. Protoform Synthesis is a downgrade from Mechagon's system both because the grind is poorly tuned and robs you of the excitement of collecting something rare since there is no actual payoff but also because the world needs the rare drops to make rare kills more worthwhile.

On a separate note I am not sure how I feel about a Cypher system for every zone. The world is too damn easy as it is. While I like it from a gear progression perspective, the amount of extra power from enhancement console and Poc is insane. TI also had crazy buffs but at the same time it had some very powerful elites (those caster Taunka rares were crazy) plus the very smart design decision of having multiple mobs that could get past your gear (e.g. the snakes with the % damage cast that could only be interrupted with hard cc or the frogs whose debuff could just kill you). I just think they need to make the world much, much more challenging.

[Nymrohd]

I'm sorry, but you can't convince me that spending hours upon hours grinding the same subzone with the same exact mobs over and over again could possibly be fun or engaging.

Not even that. You can farm the really rare lattices (vespoid, tarachnid) and still not even scratch the surface for getting enough motes to get all mounts and just one of each pet. Which leaves one with the best option being to stand in one of a couple of spots with fast respawning mobs and just grind until your mind goes numb.

Honestly with Dragonriding I am just hoping that instead of getting one model in 4-5 different colors and then 2-3 different armors and/or 2-3 different sfx we could get less on the collectible counter but then let us choose how to make them look. And also hoping for actual mounted combat down the line.