Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

At max level it sounded like you might possibly get gear pieces with +1 talent point in a specific ability, which should work as a max level progression systems.

I haven't heard about that yet, but it doesn't sound too interesting. I mean they're shifting character progression back to the leveling phase, which is good, but why isn't there something proper for max level? Why is it one or the other? I don't understand it from their design perspective. It's always either A or B, never a mix of both, although the mix would be better.

[Sondrelk]

lol I think that would defeat the purpose of why they implemented those restrictions. Can't see them doing that.

Not to mention that with the exception of the first 4 heritage armors the sets are not designed to be used on anyone but the intended race anyways. The Dwarf one for instance just flat out doesnt have the 3D elements tracked to the correct anchor points, or for that matter sized appropriately to the model.
Really it would just give you the shoulders as something to actually use that wouldnt look horrible.

Removal of the armor type restrictions would be something though. Would have to be a darn dedicated transmog collector to have exhausted all relevant armor grinds on all 4 armor types.

[rhorle]

lol I think that would defeat the purpose of why they implemented those restrictions. Can't see them doing that.

Right. The added them to force people to level them up manually. It really is silly though to keep that restriction in place. A few months? Sure but at some point it should be removed.

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Removal of the armor type restrictions would be something though. Would have to be a darn dedicated transmog collector to have exhausted all relevant armor grinds on all 4 armor types.

I think you are misunderstanding what restriction I was talking about. It was the manual level restriction on earning the heritage armor. If you use a character boost you won't get the armor. If you manually level you do. I forgot about that restriction when Void Elves first came out and boosted up a rogue to play and the only way I get the armor is if I level up another void elf.

[Ersula]

Right. The added them to force people to level them up manually. It really is silly though to keep that restriction in place. A few months? Sure but at some point it should be removed.

I think you are misunderstanding what restriction I was talking about. It was the manual level restriction on earning the heritage armor. If you use a character boost you won't get the armor. If you manually level you do. I forgot about that restriction when Void Elves first came out and boosted up a rogue to play and the only way I get the armor is if I level up another void elf.

At that point the Heritage armor is just a shop mog. And do you remember how mad the Asmongold crowd got about that? Just level the damn elf, mary.

[rhorle]

At that point the Heritage armor is just a shop mog. And do you remember how mad the Asmongold crowd got about that? Just level the damn elf, mary.

So? The existing races that have a quest chain can boost and get their heritage armor.

[The Stormbringer]

Reused renders from the Hearthstone cinematic 6 years ago, of course. Can't really blame them: "Low-effort" is the kind of content mobile gamers crave.

It was rather telling that they didn't use the Hearthstone Girl (Ava) in it, but instead one of the random background characters. They didn't want to hook their Hearthstone girl to the new mobile game just yet...

[Sondrelk]

So? The existing races that have a quest chain can boost and get their heritage armor.

Core races need exalted with their faction, which isnt necessarily trivial, especially not for a new player.

[rhorle]

Core races need exalted with their faction, which isnt necessarily trivial, especially not for a new player.

Right. But it can still be done with a boosted character so the fear of it being just a cash shop transmog is already realized and no body cares. It would be easy for Blizzard to implement a reputation bar to gain that gets passively filled on the way to 60 but not when boosted for example.

[Sondrelk]

Right. But it can still be done with a boosted character so the fear of it being just a cash shop transmog is already realized and no body cares. It would be easy for Blizzard to implement a reputation bar to gain that gets passively filled on the way to 60 but not when boosted for example.

You can, but in terms of actual effort put in the core races are just a tiny bit easier at the cost of being infinitely more monotonous.
It is annoying that if you want to race change to a new AR and also get the appearance then you would probably need to make a character just for levelling, so that might be something to change, but all in all I never had much of a problem with the levelling part, I found it nice and therapeutic when combined with the increasingly more user friendly levelling.

[Revamp Man]

That's not really "incentive to level new characters," not to mention those two things are borderline experimental so they don't know if that will actually resonate with people.

also don't list adding vendor weapons that were already in the game as a "feature"

It's called catch up which helps bring, new characters to max level and raid level

Also cross faction has been wanted for years and we know for a fact players will make toons on the other faction especially with more heritage items coming

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lol I think that would defeat the purpose of why they implemented those restrictions. Can't see them doing that.

If they did that people would just screech that they were money hungry

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lol I think that would defeat the purpose of why they implemented those restrictions. Can't see them doing that.

If they did that people would just screech that they were money hungry

[Makorus]

It takes like 10 hours played to level a Monk to 50.

[Lady Atia]

Right. The added them to force people to level them up manually. It really is silly though to keep that restriction in place. A few months? Sure but at some point it should be removed.

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I think you are misunderstanding what restriction I was talking about. It was the manual level restriction on earning the heritage armor. If you use a character boost you won't get the armor. If you manually level you do. I forgot about that restriction when Void Elves first came out and boosted up a rogue to play and the only way I get the armor is if I level up another void elf.

Oh wow. God forbid they add a reward for people who like it to level up alts.

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Tbh, the only reason why you can boost and get heritage armour on non-allied races is because I doubt they could have figured out the technic aspect of it (as in, knowing who did boost and who did not) so they went the easy route and said "level up their reputation" which is super boring. I would rather level up a char from 1-60 than have to run 20 tbc dungeons.

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Also, with the current system the heritage armours on allied races are atleast somewhat rare, which is a good thing.

[Revamp Man]

Oh wow. God forbid they add a reward for people who like it to level up alts.

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Tbh, the only reason why you can boost and get heritage armour on non-allied races is because I doubt they could have figured out the technic aspect of it (as in, knowing who did boost and who did not) so they went the easy route and said "level up their reputation" which is super boring. I would rather level up a char from 1-60 than have to run 20 tbc dungeons.

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Also, with the current system the heritage armours on allied races are atleast somewhat rare, which is a good thing.

do the tabards not have the rep effect now?

[Lady Atia]

do the tabards not have the rep effect now?

They do. I guess if you only level through dungeons there is really no difference between leveling up from 1-60 and farming your home rep to exalted - but I prefer to do a good junk of the leveling with questing, so the allied races method is the winner for me.

[Nymrohd]

They do. I guess if you only level through dungeons there is really no difference between leveling up from 1-60 and farming your home rep to exalted - but I prefer to do a good junk of the leveling with questing, so the allied races method is the winner for me.

You get a massive chunk of rep just by questing in classic/cataclysm revamp content to be honest. I easily had exalted with all the Alliance factions back in vanilla and I contributed very little to the War Effort.

[Lady Atia]

You get a massive chunk of rep just by questing in classic/cataclysm revamp content to be honest. I easily had exalted with all the Alliance factions back in vanilla and I contributed very little to the War Effort.

And if I had to decide I still would prefer to level up instead of doing any rep. Just personal preference - and I like it that blizzard is rewarding specifically the leveling up of toons (and banning boosting from it).

[Nymrohd]

And if I had to decide I still would prefer to level up instead of doing any rep. Just personal preference - and I like it that blizzard is rewarding specifically the leveling up of toons (and banning boosting from it).

? You get rep by leveling up, by doing quests that have to do with the race in question. So you would level up if you did what I suggested AND get rep as well. Rep absolutely makes more sense for something like a HERITAGE armor, it shows you invest in that race's story. Really the Allied Races that actually have engagement in the story, their respective reps are very much the most appropriate measure of your investment on them; it makes far more sense to be asked to do every Vulpera quest to get Vulpera heritage. It's only weak when it comes to the few races that don't have a representative faction even though they have tons of quests (Dark Irons) or that are just asspulls whose only engagement in the story is their intro quests (Void Elves).

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That's very true actually. I guess maybe the extra ilvl from Season 4 will add some extra player power, but who knows how impactful it will actually be in practice when the raids presumably need more damage to compensate.

Meh a bit more ilvl cannot possibly match the insanity of the overcharged artifact weapon with full access to your BiS legendaries that we had at end of Legion and definitely cannot match corruption stacking which imo was the most powerful we have ever been in WoW. Cannot even match WoD 6.2 between the completely OP Trinkets from HFC, some of the most transformative tier sets the game has ever had (the current ones might actually give MORE dps than those did but only a few of them really change your class flow) and ofc the madness that was the legendary ring.

[Eurhetemec]

I would rather level up a char from 1-60 than have to run 20 tbc dungeons.

That's pretty bizarre, though, you have to admit - leveling up from 1-50 (which is what you need to do, IIRC for the Allied races, rather than 1-60) takes what, about a dead minimum of 10 hours on an optimal class with using rested XP and so on, and likely much longer in real circumstances.

Whereas running through the Mechanar 20 times (which is the most efficient one) takes, like, what, I think it's about 5 minutes a go (maybe less?) so 100 minutes, which is just over an hour and a half. And you can easily do it whilst either listening to podcast or even watch a TV show on your laptop or whatever.

So basically you're saying you hate the Mechanar so much you'd literally rather spend probably 10x as much time and massively more effort (you can't do that whilst watching TV to the same degree). That's pretty odd.

[Lady Atia]

That's pretty bizarre, though, you have to admit - leveling up from 1-50 (which is what you need to do, IIRC for the Allied races, rather than 1-60) takes what, about a dead minimum of 10 hours on an optimal class with using rested XP and so on, and likely much longer in real circumstances.

Whereas running through the Mechanar 20 times (which is the most efficient one) takes, like, what, I think it's about 5 minutes a go (maybe less?) so 100 minutes, which is just over an hour and a half. And you can easily do it whilst either listening to podcast or even watch a TV show on your laptop or whatever.

So basically you're saying you hate the Mechanar so much you'd literally rather spend probably 10x as much time and massively more effort (you can't do that whilst watching TV to the same degree). That's pretty odd.

Ehm yes, I'm enjoying leveling.

[Eurhetemec]

Ehm yes, I'm enjoying leveling.

I guess somebody has to! I personally find it more or less impossible to level alts except by just spamming dungeons at this point.