Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Not really, in WoD/Legion/BfA we had 3 weeks, in SL 2 weeks. They won't leave WoW for Christmas break with just M0 and dragon to ride.

MoP had 4 weeks. Release in mid December, open raid in mid January.

[Lahis]

The music track also has a similar structure to the other allied race intro music. Not just the length, but when the track crescendos and the way it fades out soon after.


Of course, it's not certain by any means. Could be absolutely nothing. But I think the logic of "they'd have announced it already" is faulty.

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I'll bite - why people think it's dark ranger/darkfallen instead of something like covenant allied races, sethrak, Tuskarr, etc.

- the build has an encryptied Tirisfal quest + new area entries in that zone (as opposed to say, a new encrypted Northrend, Voldun, etc area)
- a dark ranger questline added in 8.1, but not implemented, was updated for 9.2.5 for both factions (again, as opposed to any quest dealing with other potential races)
- the new music the same length as allied race intros, which I've seen people say plays in the Sylvanas audiobook
- I've seen people say Calia - who is in the encrypted Tirisfal quest - was leading or helping the dark fallen night elves in bfa



A lot of it is speculation, but there's far more pointing towards Dark Ranger customizations/darkfallen race than the other options.

So what is the Alliance race we will be getting then? Undead High Elves are gonna be Horde only.

[Nymrohd]

So what is the Alliance race we will be getting then? Undead High Elves are gonna be Horde only.

Eh I guess Undead Night Elves? DOUBLE ELVES!

[Hitei]

Okay, but why assume Scaleface was the only person with insider information? Doesn't it seem not just plausible but probable that someone else with insider information posted to 4chan? Especially when 4chan posts are considerably harder to trace back to blizzard than mmo-champion.

Because it ""just so happened"" to be posted right after the whole Dracthyr thing here, offers no new information that has been confirmed yet, and couldn't even get Evoker correct.

[wowrefugee]

So what is the Alliance race we will be getting then? Undead High Elves are gonna be Horde only.

Dunno why you ask as if I'm bound by honor to have the answer.

The most common answer I see is yeah, undead night elves. Which very few people on the alliance seem to want, so it would be a shame if that's what ends up happening.

[Dracullus]

MoP had 4 weeks. Release in mid December, open raid in mid January.

Mogushan raid released just next week after release.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I am still firmly of the opinion that this decision is a mistake. But, again I am not too surprised that they basically decided to do a short small scale expansion to get footing again and get it out the door as fast as possible to keep the 2 Year Cycle going.

It really is bizarre to me how it is all short term profit based and then the game development team is trying to run the game as if it was back in the Classic Era. Just super conflicting.

[rhorle]

It really is bizarre to me how it is all short term profit based and then the game development team is trying to run the game as if it was back in the Classic Era. Just super conflicting.

Shadowlands sold 3.7 million in one day. That is over $148 million if they were all $40 (basic edition). So there is a very good reason why Blizzard, or any company, would want to keep that one time guaranteed infusion of revenue.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Shadowlands sold 3.7 million in one day. That is over $148 million if they were all $40 (basic edition). So there is a very good reason why Blizzard, or any company, would want to keep that one time guaranteed infusion of revenue.

It is certainly strange to use number argument as if I didn't know this and you're attacking my credibility as if I didn't know all these numbers by heart.

[rhorle]

I mean, it's still wrong on different levels than pure capitalism. Again, I also didn't even think that this wasn't the case and its' really odd to try and use numbers as a justification for something that is that abhorrent.

What? Why are you even playing the game if you think the company making money is that abhorrent?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

What? Why are you even playing the game if you think the company making money is that abhorrent?

Well, that's a wonderful question. I'm open for capitalism until it gets to the point where we have bad decisions made that affect the quality of the product which we've seen openly. Also I openly advocate for Blizzard to monetize the product more in much more safe and non destructive ways than the current ways they are doing it while trying to replace the more destructive monetization aspects of the game.

Sadly, that isn't really taking place while also the fact they are pushing for a ridiculous timeline for dev completion. So I am voicing my opinion that this is a shame as again Q4 2022/Q1 2023 is a ridiculous timeline to hit based on the events internally and externally. Not to speak of the lack of content that evidently has more to do with the release window target.

Again, I don't need to be lectured on the Preorder numbers. I am fully aware that to get a quality product is hopeless these days and all the arguments against putting in effort is getting pretty wild these days as I am also extremely aware of, as well.

[wowrefugee]

I support capitalism if game good is certainly a take.

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=65655/eyes-of-the-wolf

Looks like the lead in to the Calia quest line was included in this latest build

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I support capitalism if game good is certainly a take.

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=65655/eyes-of-the-wolf

Looks like the lead in to the Calia quest line was included in this latest build

Except that's not what I wrote. Why is it that everyone has poor reading comprehension in that sense. I will never understand, lol.

Anyways, that's cool that there's some actual new content to discuss.

[wowrefugee]

Except that's not what I wrote. Why is it that everyone has poor reading comprehension in that sense. I will never understand, lol.

Anyways, that's cool that there's some actual new content to discuss.

“ I'm open for capitalism until it gets to the point where we have bad decisions made that affect the quality of the product which we've seen openly.” is a long winded way to say the same thing.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

“ I'm open for capitalism until it gets to the point where we have bad decisions made that affect the quality of the product which we've seen openly.” is a long winded way to say the same thing.

Fair enough, I really don't see a problem with that unless you're like weirdly pro-unfettered capitalism with no quality standards or concepts of both parties in a business transaction being content.

[boyzma]

Sadly, that isn't really taking place while also the fact they are pushing for a ridiculous timeline for dev completion. So I am voicing my opinion that this is a shame as again Q4 2022/Q1 2023 is a ridiculous timeline to hit based on the events internally and externally. Not to speak of the lack of content that evidently has more to do with the release window target"

You seem to know quite a bit about the internal workings at Blizzard...or so you seem to want people to believe. How is it a ridiculous timeline? Oh yeah because of the "events"...forgot. Lack of content? What content is it lacking? Oh.....things YOU want that you haven't seen mentioned...got it. Just chill, it's out when it's out. I will sit and wait patiently...I expect no more nor no less than what we've already been told.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

You seem to know quite a bit about the internal workings at Blizzard...or so you seem to want people to believe. How is it a ridiculous timeline? Oh yeah because of the "events"...forgot. Lack of content? What content is it lacking? Oh.....things YOU want that you haven't seen mentioned...got it. Just chill, it's out when it's out. I will sit and wait patiently...I expect no more nor no less than what we've already been told.

I mean if you can't understand that this development timeline is ridiculous. I think you're completely out of touch with reality after the events of the past 4 years. But, hey that's just my opinion.

When it comes to the lack of content, the games' been lacking content and development effort for an extremely long time and again that's just my opinion. (shocker) We've never seen the additional resources for the Warcraft Team manifest itself ever since the focus on hiring more for the Warcraft Team in Legion started and again with the atrition rate from the teams after the scandal and the mass hirings and reshuffling internally.

I mean, I doubt that it didn't have an effect on the team. Not to speak of the fact this expansion was most likely pre-production and in production via WFH which may have untold consequences on the quality of the product.

You don't need to listen to my opinion or even care. I am just pointing out how insanely silly this is to accept this development schedule even with the basic principle of them cutting at 9.0. Its still insane when you consider the content output on launch with Dragonflight as of now which maybe it will have more content when datamining starts. But that's an unknown at this point.

Again, fair enough. I like the "Wait and see" approach myself and I agree with that sentiment.

Its' just I have my own preconceived notions on what you folk won't acknowledge because you're too obsessed with the preorder numbers meaning that a quality product is no longer a necessity and that capitalism realism has settled in with the conclusion that any criticism of the quality of the product does not matter due to widespread consumerist acceptance of bad video game products.

Anyways, I'ma go nap cause this ain't going anywhere and as always. I'm more interested in the Calia quests than this subject. Q4 2022/Q1 2023 is straight up complete absurdity. In my opinion.

[Izalla]

Mogushan raid released just next week after release.

It can't have because my busted ass old laptop could barely run Mists and it took me a week to level (I got a new PC just in time to hit 90) but I was still geared and ready (just barely) by the time the raid opened. There is no way I was that efficient with gearing to be ready a day after hitting 90 haha

[Therougetitan]

It can't have because my busted ass old laptop could barely run Mists and it took me a week to level (I got a new PC just in time to hit 90) but I was still geared and ready (just barely) by the time the raid opened. There is no way I was that efficient with gearing to be ready a day after hitting 90 haha

MoP release date: Sept 25
Mogu'shan Normal date: October 2

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...-raid-schedule

[Alexjimithing]

I support capitalism if game good is certainly a take.

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=65655/eyes-of-the-wolf

Looks like the lead in to the Calia quest line was included in this latest build

It absolutely has to be Darkfallen AR.

"We must know more of what they are up to, now that the accursed Banshee Queen no longer unites them. Go, don a disguise and see what you can discover. Observe everything. And if there is opportunity to gain their trust"

GAIN THEIR TRUST