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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaGamer View Post
    They added a new quest for Calia Menethil on PTR it's called Eyes of the Wolf.My guess it will be given by Greymane.
    I mean, yeah, we know that there's a whole questchain regarding Lordaeron and Calia on the PTR, it's just with Blizzards new encryption and policy towards datamining, all we will get are scraps like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh I don't need to admit anything, I'll openly say it I don't want to play a slim androgynous scaly. But I guess there is a market for that. Now the blood elf form with a few reptile features looks both glam and fit so if they actually consider letting us play the class in both forms, i'll be on it.
    We have enough "manly" looking races, it's actually good that blizzard tries to give a better body image instead. Not every male has to be all buffed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    We have enough "manly" looking races, it's actually good that blizzard tries to give a better body image instead. Not every male has to be all buffed up.
    Then again, just look at the backlash Kul'tirans got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    We have enough "manly" looking races, it's actually good that blizzard tries to give a better body image instead. Not every male has to be all buffed up.
    The visage form absolutely is buffed up so the Dracthyr themselves don't agree with you. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Then again, just look at the backlash Kul'tirans got.
    It doesn't help how distorted mogs gets on bodyshapes that diverge from the human and elf models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It doesn't help how distorted mogs gets on bodyshapes that diverge from the human and elf models.
    So good luck to hypothetical ogres then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Not every male has to be all buffed up.
    The male dracthyr visages have an eight-pack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    The male dracthyr have an eight-pack.
    In their visage form, yeah. Their propper dragon form is gender neutral which is awesome and makes sense because you know, all the other dragons ingame also don't have obvious differences between male and female ones. Honestly, it feels more like some people are afraid of the potential of creating a positive image for gender neutral / non-binary people lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    In their visage form, yeah. Their propper dragon form is gender neutral which is awesome and makes sense because you know, all the other dragons ingame also don't have obvious differences between male and female ones. Honestly, it feels more like some people are afraid of the potential of creating a positive image for gender neutral people lol.
    YEah you are stretching it. Afraid lol. That's some crappy representation to get for NBi people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Honestly, it feels more like some people are afraid of the potential of creating a positive image for gender neutral people lol.
    Please, enlighten me, how is an 8 foot tall skinny dragonman who can turn into either a victoria's secret runway model or shredded gym bro a "positive body image for non-binary people"???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Please, enlighten me, how is an 8 foot tall skinny dragonman who can turn into either a victoria's secret runway model or shredded gym bro a "positive body image for non-binary people"???
    Not to mention the aspects whose dragon forms are not particularly sexualized all turning into underwear models. Remember in Cata when we got the Nozdormu elf form and the meme was that he looked like Mark Wahlberg's CK underwear campaign? Alex that looked like she escaped from Hutt's slave harem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Then again, just look at the backlash Kul'tirans got.
    Well its one sorta big to another big. Having a middle ground of looking "buff" but not super buff that sometimes Humans come off as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Please, enlighten me, how is an 8 foot tall skinny dragonman who can turn into either a victoria's secret runway model or shredded gym bro a "positive body image for non-binary people"???
    Well, they said that lorewise they can change their visage form at will between genders, hence you can do that for free on barbers. This, paired with the genderneutral "true" form is giving a positive image for non-binary people imo. That said, it's such a broad term/thema that of course you won't make anyone happy. My point still stands - I'm sure there are quite alot of people who are afraid of even trying to give non-binary people a little bit of representation, similiar to the whole Pelagos drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Well, they said that lorewise they can change their visage form at will between genders, hence you can do that for free on barbers. This, paired with the genderneutral "true" form is giving a positive image for non-binary people imo. That said, it's such a broad term/thema that of course you won't make anyone happy. My point still stands - I'm sure there are quite alot of people who are afraid of even trying to give non-binary people a little bit of representation, similiar to the whole Pelagos drama.
    Even if that was their goal, there's far better ways to pursue it than hiding it behind a race of lizard people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaGamer View Post
    They added a new quest for Calia Menethil on PTR it's called Eyes of the Wolf.My guess it will be given by Greymane.
    Seems to just be a plot device for the Calia quest to be open to both factions. Which does not bode well for those expecting an AR from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Even if that was their goal, there's far better ways to pursue it than hiding it behind a race of lizard people.

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    Seems to just be a plot device for the Calia quest to be open to both factions. Which does not bode well for those expecting an AR from it.
    Well, if we get dark ranger/darkfallen customizations or allied races I would expect to get both the night elf and blood elf flavour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Seems to just be a plot device for the Calia quest to be open to both factions. Which does not bode well for those expecting an AR from it.
    Undead Night Elves (A), Undead Blood elves (H).

    The Blood Knight Armor questline isn't open to both factions. Combined with the Highborne CC VO, if anything the both factions thing is more of an indicator than not.

    They had Darkfallen customization ready to go in the game files for Belves in 9.0. But for whatever reason didn't add them there. It seems like the long term plan since War of the Thorns was to make them an AR once the Sylvanas' storyline was over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Well, they said that lorewise they can change their visage form at will between genders, hence you can do that for free on barbers. This, paired with the genderneutral "true" form is giving a positive image for non-binary people imo. That said, it's such a broad term/thema that of course you won't make anyone happy. My point still stands - I'm sure there are quite alot of people who are afraid of even trying to give non-binary people a little bit of representation, similiar to the whole Pelagos drama.
    There was no Pelagos drama. News regarding him came and went. Pretty sure barely anyone looks on Dracthyr through the scope of any representation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    There was no Pelagos drama. News regarding him came and went. Pretty sure barely anyone looks on Dracthyr through the scope of any representation.
    Cause well he doesn't appear to much in questing and you have to actually look to figure out his identity related stuff. Again I don't really care but.....he could of been used better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Cause well he doesn't appear to much in questing and you have to actually look to figure out his identity related stuff. Again I don't really care but.....he could of been used better.
    Hey man, he got Arbitered in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    There was no Pelagos drama. News regarding him came and went. Pretty sure barely anyone looks on Dracthyr through the scope of any representation.
    It's because they aren't. Gaming doesn't easily do queer representation. If they do, they make sure they can hide it from straight people as well as they can (which means it's no representation at all).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Hey man, he got Arbitered in the end.
    Well when they decided to move him to the front of the story with so little build up, I cannot exactly blame people for suggesting that it might be pandering.

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