Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Berkilak]

It will be a clipping nightmare. I can see why they don’t do it (too much work), but it just adds to the feeling of them being lazy.

Seems like they should just treat all the 3D detailing as "armour" in and of itself that is overridden when you wear something different. But I don't know anything about modeling, so that's probably its own headache.

[huth]

Men and women are inherently different and so are their bodies. We are talking about a fictional race here, yet it matters and has not much to do with gender norms, more with something like… biology. If dragons would not have a gender at all, it would be true what you said. But they do.

Humans are an outlier on sexual dimorphism.

[Makorus]

It will be a clipping nightmare. I can see why they don’t do it (too much work), but it just adds to the feeling of them being lazy.

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Men and women are inherently different and so are their bodies. We are talking about a fictional race here, yet it matters and has not much to do with gender norms, more with something like… biology. If dragons would not have a gender at all, it would be true what you said. But they do.

Yeah and male and female dragons look the same.

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Seems like they should just treat all the 3D detailing as "armour" in and of itself that is overridden when you wear something different. But I don't know anything about modeling, so that's probably its own headache.

It's frustrating because the Evoker tier set looks really cool but knowing I'll only be able to equip the shoulders and belt, thats a bit fucked.

[Berkilak]

It's frustrating because the Evoker tier set looks really cool but knowing I'll only be able to equip the shoulders and belt, thats a bit fucked.

Excited for my Shaman in the future, that I always wear draconic sets on anyway.

But I should be able to represent my class as the sole race that can be said class. Without turning into an Elf-lite. Imagine if Worgen needed to go into human form to show off any gear other than their helmet and pants.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Not all animals have readily apparent sexual features. For all we know it could be as simple as only female dragons having the neck frills, or male dragons having a more prominent set of wings.

Consider for instance a cat or dog, and how it's close to impossible to tell what sex they are at a glance.

This discussion is getting weird(Not pointing fingers at you specifically). All I was saying the chest could be a bit more broad or slightly bigger. NOT MASSIVE that it turns into Azeroth Human muscle mass.

[Khaza-R]

I don't know why anyone would be against a bigger range of customizations / body types for any playable race. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[tumbleweed010]

Men and women are inherently different and so are their bodies. We are talking about a fictional race here, yet it matters and has not much to do with gender norms, more with something like… biology. If dragons would not have a gender at all, it would be true what you said. But they do.

It's already been said but male/female dragons look the same. Alexstraza, while in her true form, doesn't have breasts, nor any feminine-specific features. Neither do actual lizards. Males are usually larger but there's no obvious differences outside of that.

Dracthyr (based on current knowledge of what was shown) need work but a male/female form isn't something they need or should have.

[Ersula]

Men and women are inherently different and so are their bodies. We are talking about a fictional race here, yet it matters and has not much to do with gender norms, more with something like… biology. If dragons would not have a gender at all, it would be true what you said. But they do.

There's a lot of mammals that still have a male & female but aren't dimorphic by sex. And reptiles even moreso. That's the whole conversation here. Dragons specifically in WoW, you can't tell the males from the females by looking at their dragon form.

[Sondrelk]

I don't know why anyone would be against a bigger range of customizations / body types for any playable race. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Loads of customizations are one thing. Demanding that dragons suddenly have sexual dimorphism just because they are a player race is another.

[Khaza-R]

Loads of customizations are one thing. Demanding that dragons suddenly have sexual dimorphism just because they are a player race is another.

I never said it should be gender locked. But if someone wants to be a bulkier lady or man dragon they should be able too.

[Sondrelk]

I never said it should be gender locked. But if someone wants to be a bulkier lady or man dragon they should be able too.

It's still a bit of a regression when dragons have never been shown to possess apparent dimorphic qualities.

[Makabreska]

I never said it should be gender locked. But if someone wants to be a bulkier lady or man dragon they should be able too.

"Someone wants x therefore he should have it" way of thinking unfortunately clashes with real life of game development and limited resources.

[Lady Atia]

I never said it should be gender locked. But if someone wants to be a bulkier lady or man dragon they should be able too.

Right. They should also add fat nightborne, fat worgen and thinner male draenei than. Bet people would also like to play them, and all three would make more sense than a dimorphic dragon.

[Gigantique]

It seems there are quite a few posters like that here on this forum, sometimes I feel it would be better for their mental health if they just left WoW and found something that brings them joy.

All the hate and negativity is not healthy.



Agreed, personally I'm excited to see and learn more, also more information on giving dracthyr more class options would be welcomed.

Hah I'm the other way around to the person you quoted; Very excited for Evoker but slightly miffed about the Dracthyr aesthetics. Enough for me to wish for 'better' (as subjective as that is) options but not enough to not try Evoker at least. I'm sure I can alleviate the wimpyness factor with some big bad shoulders etc if nothing else!

[huth]

I never said it should be gender locked. But if someone wants to be a bulkier lady or man dragon they should be able too.

Why? Why should they be able to just because they want it?

That's not a good reason to do anything.

[Khaza-R]

Right. They should also add fat nightborne, fat worgen and thinner male draenei than. Bet people would also like to play them, and all three would make more sense than a dimorphic dragon.

Can't tell if you trying to be facetious but sure. If people want to play those things then sure, go ahead and add them.

"Someone wants x therefore he should have it" way of thinking unfortunately clashes with real life of game development and limited resources.

Understandable. However its still in development and TBD so people requesting it now is as a valid time as ever. Personally, I wish people would of spoke out more to fix male Night Elves when they updated the models in WoD.

Why? Why should they be able to just because they want it?

That's not a good reason to do anything.

Because its literally a fantasy based, role playing game? Obviously there will always be technical and time-based limitations but saying that's not a good reason is just absurd and being contrarian for the sake of it.

[Makabreska]

Because its literally a fantasy based, role playing game? Obviously there will always be technical and time-based limitations but saying that's not a good reason is just absurd and being contrarian for the sake of it.

I don't think you get it. It is not a pen and paper RPG, where player can say he wants to play ogre and GM can accommodate easily. It is a video game, where if player says he wants to play an ogre, devs have to whip out a more or less new model, make sure all previous and current gear fits with it, give them animations, voice lines, racials, lore reason to join etc. And now imagine that multiple players want different races/customizations. This is not a D&D session, where the only real limiter is your imagination and game rules.

[Khaza-R]

I don't think you get it. It is not a pen and paper RPG, where player can say he wants to play ogre and GM can accommodate easily. It is a video game, where if player says he wants to play an ogre, devs have to whip out a more or less new model, make sure all previous and current gear fits with it, give them animations, voice lines, racials, lore reason to join etc. And now imagine that multiple players want different races/customizations. This is not a D&D session, where the only real limiter is your imagination and game rules.

I never said it was. However the quoted poster asked for the justification of why someone should be able to play as something. There is no justification needed because everything in the game is there so someone can fulfill a particular fantasy. Some are actualized and some are not. But telling someone they have no basis for desiring something is entirely absurd. Especially when the limitations as you pointed out as ultimately at the dev's discretion and no one else's.

[Nymrohd]

It's still a bit of a regression when dragons have never been shown to possess apparent dimorphic qualities.

Dragonspawn have been around since vanilla. As someone who spent weeks killing and skinning caster black dragonspawn in Burning Steppes to get my epic nightsaber I can tell you, those scaly ladies have big tits and a tiny waist.

[boyzma]

Right. They should also add fat nightborne, fat worgen and thinner male draenei than. Bet people would also like to play them, and all three would make more sense than a dimorphic dragon.

Don't forget the anorexic taurens, panda and orcs