Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dioporco]

Sylvanas book showed us that a book release date means absolutely nothing. They will delay it as many times as they need to line up with the game.

Thank you to confirm by using an expection.

[Makorus]

Sylvanas book showed us that a book release date means absolutely nothing. They will delay it as many times as they need to line up with the game.

Yes, that was the reason for the delay, totally.

That's not even considering the fact that the Sylvanas book came out a month after 9.2 LMAO

[manypillars]

That’s more than a little disingenuous. I think you know that, barring a few exceptions, the majority of the people that want the sexual dimorphism aren’t asking for it for progressive reasons. I would postulate quite the opposite.

Here, I can get to wanting sexual dimorphism without political teamsport: I'd rather have a big, bulky, intimidating, monstrous looking humanoid dragon character because that's what says 'dragon' to me. The current model comes off as weirdly generic, like it could have come from any one of a hundred different no-name MMO's. They put a lot of work into it (hell, it looks like they individually rigged all the toes), but it's bland and looks more like a premade asset than a player character model from WoW. It doesn't matter a ton to me if it's the male or female that's huge and looks like it could wreck you, but also please, god, no dragon boobs furry fetish shit. Sexual dimorphism is a way to get/justify options.

For a game whose developers drone on and on about our fantasy, here's a dragon that has none. Boring. Dull. Not even the option to use xmog to push towards what I'm looking for. Only having the shoulder, chest and belt slots doesn't cut it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Calling something generic is getting really overused.

[draugril]

Honestly I don't follow the other Dracthyr threads on the forums so I am not sure what's being argued and by who. I don't even follow the majority of the back and forth in this thread on the topic.

I understand people not wanting to mess with the design of the form being gender neutral since that's they way ordinary dragons are depicted. However I imagine that technical limitations aside, there's a great degree of variance within dragons sizes and shapes irrespective of their sex. I just think the player models should reflect that a bit because that's actually one of the cool aspects of dragons and what sets them apart. If that helps people achieve whatever personal class / race fantasy they have then that's great too.

That’s a fair take. There have been a few constructive posts and threads, but by and large, the bulk of the negative response has been insecure and dismissive.

[manypillars]

Doesn't make them any less generic.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Doesn't make them any less generic.

Not really, its just an overused phrase over something they don't like.

[manypillars]

Unfortunately, that's just how I feel about the model- the reason why I don't like it.

At least I'm sincere when I say the design just bores me? It's forgettable in a sea of a billion indistinguishable anthro dragons on a furry site. The weak silhouette is a huge part of it.

Edit: now that I think about it, I wonder if the fancy rigging right down to the toes is part of why that can't be any other class. The reused class animations designed on the human models might be a huge pain in the ass to apply to them.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Calling something generic is getting really overused.

Would you say calling something generic is getting generic?

[Blayze]

Would you say calling something generic is getting generic?

It's the Circle of Trite.

[Lahis]

Or maybe it is due to paper shortage that is recking up the industry?

Last chapter of Sylvanas book spoils 9.2, so yeah it had to be delayed untill the patch was out and the story campaign was done.

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Yes, that was the reason for the delay, totally.

That's not even considering the fact that the Sylvanas book came out a month after 9.2 LMAO

Yes because the last chapter spoils 9.2 as it happens AFTER Sylvanas had jumped into the Maw to save all souls from it.

So the book had to come out AFTER 9.2 story content was released.

[manypillars]

It's the Circle of Trite.

[Raetary]

Or maybe it is due to paper shortage that is recking up the industry?

While i'm certain the shortage affected some of the the book delays, the book spoils the 9.2 ending and epilogue.


It was absolutely shoved back to line up with 9.2s content schedule.

[huth]

It's the Circle of Trite.

A tritious circle?

[Dracullus]

While i'm certain the shortage affected some of the the book delays, the book spoils the 9.2 ending and epilogue.


It was absolutely shoved back to line up with 9.2s content schedule.

So looks like plan was to release 9.2 last November, then reveal DF on Blizzconline and launch November this year. Now it's not surprising that first 9.2 PTR build had almost completed zone. Probably plan went to hell around summer for obvious reason, which also cause them to put extra focus on 9.1.5 changes.

I believe them when Ion/Morgan said they planned two patches/3 raids before launch (it was already deep into covid), but I don't think it was plan when they revealed expansion. Empty spot on Oribos top floor and Torghast are clear signs.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So looks like plan was to release 9.2 last November, then reveal DF on Blizzconline and launch November this year. Now it's not surprising that first 9.2 PTR build had almost completed zone. Probably plan went to hell around summer for obvious reason, which also cause them to put extra focus on 9.1.5 changes.

I believe them when Ion/Morgan said they planned two patches/3 raids before launch (it was already deep into covid), but I don't think it was plan when they revealed expansion. Empty spot on Oribos top floor and Torghast are clear signs.

Should of sticked to the MoP model but I understand the last two years have been pretty messy world wide.

[Blayze]

Please tell me you drew that; it's amazing.

[manypillars]

Please tell me you drew that; it's amazing.

yes I drew it
no, it's shit. All of 10 minutes worth of effort for a silly joke so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Makabreska]

The dragon is defo not amused.

[Revamp Man]

There's a lot of mammals that still have a male & female but aren't dimorphic by sex. And reptiles even moreso. That's the whole conversation here. Dragons specifically in WoW, you can't tell the males from the females by looking at their dragon form.

but we have to have dragon boobies or dragon abs because...nature yeah nature not some weird fetish