Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lady Atia]

True but it is not confirmed if it is one of the eight dungeons or if it will be part of the M+ rotation.

It's one of the eight dungeons.

[Ersula]

The Rajani and Tol'vir never interact with one another. At all. 'Hate' is a rather strong term for their relationship, i'd go with indifference.

Their gods killed each other.

[Alanar]

I hope that the Reins of the Infinite Timereaver will stay unique in Dragonflight, I don't want a recolor easily obtainable.

Its bound to happen.. I am sorry, but I truly believe we will see some kind of recolor of it some day.

[huth]

Their gods killed each other.

That would Ra'den and... Ra'den.

[Lady Atia]

Its bound to happen.. I am sorry, but I truly believe we will see some kind of recolor of it some day.

I don't want a recolour as the core model is just a netherdrake/cata wind drake (for whatever reason lol). Infinite skin tones for our Dragonflight mounts would be better.

[Kiivar86]

The Mogu and Tol'vir have interacted and fought, but that was the Mogu who were not working for Ra (led by Lei Shen).

Hard to say if the Rajani were among them but given that the Rajani served Ra, I imagine they would have been a little put out with Lei Shen.

Still, there is some history there.

[Ersula]

That would Ra'den and... Ra'den.

Loken gave the Tol'vir their sentience.

[Nymrohd]

It's one of the eight dungeons.

I mean that mostly sounds like they are adding a new wing to Uldaman not that they are revamping Uldaman itself. They probably are, I mean they will be creating the textures needed and if they are creating a new dungeon hub there, they'd want to also tidy up the area around it.

[Kiivar86]

Loken gave the Tol'vir their sentience.

From what I'm seeing on wowpedia, it appears more that agents of Loken just accidentally passed on the curse of flesh while on the search for Ra. Doesn't seem like they'd actually worship him.

[Ersula]

From what I'm seeing on wowpedia, it appears more that agents of Loken just accidentally passed on the curse of flesh while on the search for Ra. Doesn't seem like they'd actually worship him.

The story threads are there, and I imagined it would be a new biped subrace of tol'vir that would be a playable allied race, what with N'zoth running amok at the time. Sort of how like the Argussian Reach is only indirectly related to the Void Elves.

[Lady Atia]

I mean that mostly sounds like they are adding a new wing to Uldaman not that they are revamping Uldaman itself. They probably are, I mean they will be creating the textures needed and if they are creating a new dungeon hub there, they'd want to also tidy up the area around it.

Well, I would argue that a new Uldaman wing is a revamped Uldaman in the same way the new Karazhan is revamped but also a new part of it and seperate from the old raid instance.

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Also, doing my weekly Dragonsoul farm I thought about the classic drake/dragon models. Do we think they will get an hd update with Dragonflight? We know that Alextrasza and Kaleg are atleast getting new models, so I would guess the other classic "adult dragon" will get the update too. What about drakes? I imagine the reason why we get the dragonriding customizations is that they can re-use the system to build unique npc's for the dragon isles - so will the classic drake npc and mount models be forever stuck in the past while f.e. the drakonids and other stuff will be updated? Will they just use the dragonriding "drake" mount for any new drakes? Or will we get a bunch of beautiful hd classic drakes with the pre-patch?

[Nymrohd]

Well, I would argue that a new Uldaman wing is a revamped Uldaman in the same way the new Karazhan is revamped but also a new part of it and seperate from the old raid instance.

Oh I thought more of it as a separate part of Uldaman being discovered. I mean the complex is likely massive and large parts of it are undiscovered. They were still excavating it after all.

[Lady Atia]

Oh I thought more of it as a separate part of Uldaman being discovered. I mean the complex is likely massive and large parts of it are undiscovered. They were still excavating it after all.

It's still a revamped Uldaman. They already said with Karazhan in Legion that they didn't want to replace old dungeons anymore when doing a new version of them (wish they would have known that with ZG but oh well ....).

[ChairmanKaga]

Also, doing my weekly Dragonsoul farm I thought about the classic drake/dragon models. Do we think they will get an hd update with Dragonflight? We know that Alextrasza and Kaleg are atleast getting new models, so I would guess the other classic "adult dragon" will get the update too. What about drakes? I imagine the reason why we get the dragonriding customizations is that they can re-use the system to build unique npc's for the dragon isles - so will the classic drake npc and mount models be forever stuck in the past while f.e. the drakonids and other stuff will be updated? Will they just use the dragonriding "drake" mount for any new drakes? Or will we get a bunch of beautiful hd classic drakes with the pre-patch?

I'm hoping all the old models will get updated like the race models did in WoD. So Onyxia and drconids etc aren't so polygonal. I don't think they will HD the old mounts like how the old racial mounts are still chunks but they introduced the HD versions via PVP saddles etc which is a shame. I would also love for them to HD up Tarecgosa and the Sands of Time shape shift but I doubt they will.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm hoping all the old models will get updated like the race models did in WoD. So Onyxia and drconids etc aren't so polygonal. I don't think they will HD the old mounts like how the old racial mounts are still chunks but they introduced the HD versions via PVP saddles etc which is a shame. I would also love for them to HD up Tarecgosa and the Sands of Time shape shift but I doubt they will.

Make Ony's lair a random fun raid thing to do in 10.0


Sure its dumb to update an old raid but its Dragon related. Do it Blizz

[Ticj]

Yeah this is the issue. The sheer amount of time and effort required to do Heroic raiding is extremely high, even at the lower end. We're talking part-time to full-time job levels of effort. Which might be fine for unemployed people or "pro gamers" but is is not workable for anyone with a job, or even at college and not expecting to flunk out. The only way to increase the number of people doing Mythic raiding would be to increase the playerbase.

I think there's a lot more room to expand Normal and Heroic raiding, esp. due to the flex mechanism (if they'd come up with that mechanism 15 years ago, WoW raiding would always have been a lot healthier, or really any time pre-Cataclysm), but the perception among most of the playerbase is that even Normal is "not for them". Blizzard might want to look at fighting that perception if they want more people raiding. I suspect that for most people even a PuG Normal flex raid is a much better experience than LFR, which tends to be 75% casual players (no problem there, that's intended) and 25% lunatics (that's the problem) who are there for dubious reasons and tend to drag the entire experience downhill (and it wasn't exactly far uphill to start with).

Fully agree with the college student point. I could not raid heroics if I wanted to maintain a social life and pass classes.

[ChairmanKaga]

Make Ony's lair a random fun raid thing to do in 10.0


Sure its dumb to update an old raid but its Dragon related. Do it Blizz

I could see that being relevant story wise and another anniversary nod like when they did it in Wrath.

[huth]

Loken gave the Tol'vir their sentience.

That would still not fit your claims. Loken and Ra'den didn't kill one another. In fact, we killed both.

[Lady Atia]

I'm hoping all the old models will get updated like the race models did in WoD. So Onyxia and drconids etc aren't so polygonal. I don't think they will HD the old mounts like how the old racial mounts are still chunks but they introduced the HD versions via PVP saddles etc which is a shame. I would also love for them to HD up Tarecgosa and the Sands of Time shape shift but I doubt they will.

Well, they did HD up some mounts like the Kodos, the weird Striders aswell as the Amani Bears, so I have hopes that they will do the same for all the other classic mounts, maybe with the revamp expansion?

[Makorus]

With the way Blizzard is doing PTR updates now, I really wonder if there is even any point of having the x.x.5 patches on the PTR at all.