Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cheezits]

There is also at least one new encrypted armor set on the PTR. Could be a new preorder bonus, could be an AR armor. Actually could Marlamin or a dataminer tell us if it is tied to the preorder items?

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Regardless, I expect the Campaign System to return with minimal amounts of text and quotes that showcase that the characters are clearly being puppeteered rather than actual real characters in a fantasy universe. While also again, feeding us breadcrumbs while the writing tries to tease about "how we're wrong and that at the end you will see that this is going to lead to an epic shocking conclusion that you couldn't foresee" and then you get there and it is literally nothing of value other than the loud screaming of management stating that they need to Cut & Run to 11.0 while your stuck in clown makeup and have a pie on your face while the medical staff comes in with a straitjacket for your insane theories while Steve wiggles his finger at you going "No, no you should go to the looney bin for believing my writing!".

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

[Nyel]

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

Isn't Khadgar about to come back as well?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

11:31 Manny: Okay. But though Alexstraza is still there, most of the original Aspects have passed away, so we are now left with Alexstraza and Murozond (Nozdormu,) but we have a new leader actually, the blue dragonflight itself has been disbanded. The Black dragonflight is down to two known black dragons. So many of these dragonflights are in shambles, are we going to be seeing like a rebuilding of, even if they don’t restore themselves with the titans, are we going to be seeing a rebuilding of those flights throughout this initial part of expansion?

Steve: Yeah, that’s again a huge part of the level-up campaign and some of the max-level narrative chapters that will unfold as well. So like you said it very well, the dragon flights as compared to how they once were are in shambles, Alexstraza still leads the red flight and Nozdormu still leads the bronze. But you know, Nozdormu faced many challenges during Cataclysm, where we saw this future self of him turning into Murozond and becoming infinite. And so that’s, he knows that is coming at some point, that transformation moment and that weighs heavily on his mind and he’s having trouble clearly seeing the time ways right now.

Confirmed source on this is that Steve talked about doing Chapters for Endgame story delivery. So yes, the story is structured just like Shadowlands.

Source: For Azeroth Ep 210, Warcraftradio interview with Steve Danuser.

Anyways, if you want to argue that Chapters is something else. Fine, I'm just saying that the Campaign System that we've seen was structured the same way indicating that it is not going to get a revamp or any changes that make it better for the audience to go through.

Again, there's some contradictions here from Ions' point of view regarding Time Gating that goes against the typical Campaign structure being likely but we'll see.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

Wrathion and Kalecgos might be involved to but there hasn't been too much information. No mention of Nozdormu either which is more suspect.

[Lahis]

There is also at least one new encrypted armor set on the PTR. Could be a new preorder bonus, could be an AR armor. Actually could Marlamin or a dataminer tell us if it is tied to the preorder items?

It seems like dataminers mostly don't care. Shit is either encrypted, or missing filenames so it is impossible to get any info.

[ChairmanKaga]

Why? They're all dead and will at most be seen in some Wrathion flashback.

It's speculation either way but I don't think they will pass on the opportunity to update them as they are only slight tweaks to base dragon model and may be used during Dragonflight in some capacity.

[Ersula]

It seems like dataminers mostly don't care. Shit is either encrypted, or missing filenames so it is impossible to get any info.

What happened to Ybarra saying there would be a ton of new DF info in May? May is half over & all they announced was Arclight Rumble.

You know that people who would only log in because they read about a new thing on wowhead will still do that, just as the same time as everyone else explores the new stuff? Yes, the news draught sucks right now, but it's still better than the old way in the end. The old "everything is dataminable on the PTR" stance was like you could play with your birthday presents you get in advance, just dumb.

Then why have a PTR at all? Its supposed to be a cost effective testing method & you're only going to get people to do that for you because of the "birthday presents" principal.

It makes no sense to design your development strategy based on people who go out of their way to look for spoilers then get mad about it: Those people are the very definition of a vocal minority.

They've put major quest lines on the splash page before. I'm not insisting anything is typical because this is the first time they are heavily encrypting things. However that still doesn't mean that the splash page is confirmed or has to be pre-order stuff.

Not *encrypted* questlines.

[rhorle]

Not *encrypted* questlines.

Right. Which can explain why the splash page is encrypted because the major quest that would appear there is also encrypted. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

[Ersula]

Right. Which can explain why the splash page is encrypted because the major quest that would appear there is also encrypted. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

I didn't say it was hard to understand. I said it was unusual. And stupid.

[rhorle]

I didn't say it was hard to understand. I said it was unusual. And stupid.

It is hardly stupid. Blizzard doesn't want things to be spoiled so they are encrypting anything that could possible mention what they want to be hidden. Calling it stupid just makes you come across as angry because you can't know story details before hand.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Not knowing story spoilers is a good thing. It won't be easy going forward but its better this way. If your argument is "But we can't keep Blizz in check then" Not really true either since you can do it before and afterwards but even then complaining for its own sake is stupid and a waste of energy and sounds miserable. I want DF Asap but I have to wait and accept that.

At least no known date is known yet instead of "Oh its coming out x"


*Months later*

"Actually its delayed"

[Lady Atia]

What happened to Ybarra saying there would be a ton of new DF info in May? May is half over & all they announced was Arclight Rumble.

Then why have a PTR at all? Its supposed to be a cost effective testing method & you're only going to get people to do that for you because of the "birthday presents" principal.

It makes no sense to design your development strategy based on people who go out of their way to look for spoilers then get mad about it: Those people are the very definition of a vocal minority.

Not *encrypted* questlines.

The PTR is for testing bugs and stuff, not for you to play the game months before it actually comes out. Maybe it wasn't in the past, but that's what it will be in the future.

Oh, and playing PTR for story always felt miserable anyways, because you know it's not the real game. All it did was take the surprise away while also giving you the feeling of playing a card game with faked cards.

[wowrefugee]

Due to that DF pricing survey that mentions an armor transmog, I’m more inclined to believe the encrypted armor set is for the pre order.

[SloidVoid]

How are Darkfallen supposed to become playable if their numbers are so small and their not growing?
At least with something like Void Elves they are actively shown has getting new followers.
We don't see any new Darkfallen being created right now.

[Hyrja]

What happened to Ybarra saying there would be a ton of new DF info in May? May is half over & all they announced was Arclight Rumble.

Then why have a PTR at all? Its supposed to be a cost effective testing method & you're only going to get people to do that for you because of the "birthday presents" principal.

It makes no sense to design your development strategy based on people who go out of their way to look for spoilers then get mad about it: Those people are the very definition of a vocal minority.

Not *encrypted* questlines.

"may is half over" still 18 days to go so plenty of time

[Ersula]

The PTR is for testing bugs and stuff, not for you to play the game months before it actually comes out. Maybe it wasn't in the past, but that's what it will be in the future.

Oh, and playing PTR for story always felt miserable anyways, because you know it's not the real game. All it did was take the surprise away while also giving you the feeling of playing a card game with faked cards.

You know what's bugged sometimes? Quests. And if "faked cards" bother you the solution is not "complicated encryption initiatives" it's "minding your own business"

How are Darkfallen supposed to become playable if their numbers are so small and their not growing?
At least with something like Void Elves they are actively shown has getting new followers.
We don't see any new Darkfallen being created right now.

Vorath was raising new undead in the ghostlands & Calia has a naaru that makes people undead for some reason. Any kind of acquisition quest would surely deal with that topic.

[wowrefugee]

How are Darkfallen supposed to become playable if their numbers are so small and their not growing?
At least with something like Void Elves they are actively shown has getting new followers.
We don't see any new Darkfallen being created right now.

We do, actually.

https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=54944/...-rangers-pupil

> She's been training an apprentice dark ranger, a lad named Prelus. Newly raised, she said

Newly raised. And this is the quest thats been updated for 9.2.5

[rhorle]

How are Darkfallen supposed to become playable if their numbers are so small and their not growing?
At least with something like Void Elves they are actively shown has getting new followers.
We don't see any new Darkfallen being created right now.

Simple. After being rescued from the maw they get "returned" to life/undeath somehow. Or they could just create them in the Shadowlands and have them step through a portal with out being made undead in the traditional sense we know.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

How are Darkfallen supposed to become playable if their numbers are so small and their not growing?
At least with something like Void Elves they are actively shown has getting new followers.
We don't see any new Darkfallen being created right now.

The number of dark fallen could actually be rather large, far striders were the core of the high elf military so there could in theory be tons of them depending on how hard the spell arthas made was for lesser undead to cast and how badly he wanted to stick it to Sylvanas, they could just say the majority of far striders were raised.

Same goes with the night elfs they could just say a lot more died and were raised then the handful we see in the current quest.

While they’re numbers aren’t growing they could easily out number void elfs at current.

[Marlamin]

There is also at least one new encrypted armor set on the PTR. Could be a new preorder bonus, could be an AR armor. Actually could Marlamin or a dataminer tell us if it is tied to the preorder items?

I'm not datamining encrypted content anymore nor supporting that in my tools, also haven't really been keeping up with 9.2.5 (and am currently dealing with COVID so taking it easy in general), I know some who frequent this thread have been digging around 9.2.5 and found some mildly interesting stuff, but that's up to them to share (or not).

And, while I'm on the subject of that, I think if dataminers held off on datamining encrypted/purposely hidden content, which has largely been the case in 9.2.5, Blizzard would also stop trying to make datamining hard in general, which affects way more than just being able to find spoilers early or not. I gave Blizz some details on the ways we've been finding things around/in encrypted content, so maybe that'll help in the long term, we'll see how that ends up going or if it'll actually affect anything.