1. #56081
    Yes, and we have 0 real information about how they actually look, outside of one model, some face shots, and 4 ability animations. Legion had DHs and showed us some of their customization (horns, tattoos, blindfolds), the same amount of face shots as Dragonflight, some basic gear, the different meta forms, and some ability details. And Legion was announced with the DH starting zone available to testing so what the animations and some early talent trees were available, too.

    There's nothing "wow" about Dracthyr and Evoker because there's no real information about them. If this is "wow" to you then your bar is incredibly low.

    Quote Originally Posted by wowrefugee View Post
    lol what?

    it already has more customization than DKs from what little we have seen, and the spells shown off are visually stunning and mechanically interesting. there is no need to exaggerate
    DKs were announced in a time where there wasn't a Blizzcon and information wasn't being datamined weekly, and even then DKs were much more well received than Evokers.

    Again, if a "wow" factor is seeing some extra features shown on head shots, a few new spells, and 0 actual information about the new race's customization in the actual form it'll be in a majority of the time is like, then your bar for "wow" is very low.
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  2. #56082
    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed010 View Post
    Yes, and we have 0 real information about how they actually look, outside of one model, some face shots, and 4 ability animations. Legion had DHs and showed us some of their customization (horns, tattoos, blindfolds), the same amount of face shots as Dragonflight, some basic gear, the different meta forms, and some ability details. And Legion was announced with the DH starting zone available to testing so what the animations and some early talent trees were available, too.

    There's nothing "wow" about Dracthyr and Evoker because there's no real information about them. If this is "wow" to you then your bar is incredibly low.
    So let me get this straight. You think horns (which dracthyr have), 2d glowing symbols over existing old models and cloth over eyes is more "wow" than Dracthyr? Those who have unique models with actual useable wings as a permanent part of their character, 3d elements to their skin, highly customizable humanoid models and we haven't even got to see most of it according to you but it is already seems better. lmao not even a contest you are just delusional dude keep your post count low for the greater good

  3. #56083
    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed010 View Post
    Yes, and we have 0 real information about how they actually look, outside of one model, some face shots, and 4 ability animations. Legion had DHs and showed us some of their customization (horns, tattoos, blindfolds), the same amount of face shots as Dragonflight, some basic gear, the different meta forms, and some ability details. And Legion was announced with the DH starting zone available to testing so what the animations and some early talent trees were available, too.

    There's nothing "wow" about Dracthyr and Evoker because there's no real information about them. If this is "wow" to you then your bar is incredibly low.



    DKs were announced in a time where there wasn't a Blizzcon and information wasn't being datamined weekly, and even then DKs were much more well received than Evokers.

    Again, if a "wow" factor is seeing some extra features shown on head shots, a few new spells, and 0 actual information about the new race's customization in the actual form it'll be in a majority of the time is like, then your bar for "wow" is very low.
    Their wow factor is that they look as dumb as jar jar binks

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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed010 View Post
    [Citation Needed]
    Again;

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Dracthyr-size


    What is there exactly to look at? You can quote Blizzard as much as you want but until the art team blog post comes out, or we get some Alpha footage of what Dractyhr customization entails, there is nothing here that's a "wow" factor for a Race/Class combo, especially since it's a hero class and is falling short thus far compared to the last 2.
    To me, this;



    ....as tall, if not taller than a tauren, and with massive wings;



    is enough of a wow factor.

    It sort of helps that blue is my favorite color, but still.....

  5. #56085
    Quote Originally Posted by Therougetitan View Post
    So let me get this straight. You think horns (which dracthyr have), 2d glowing symbols over existing old models and cloth over eyes is more "wow" than Dracthyr? Those who have unique models with actual useable wings as a permanent part of their character, 3d elements to their skin, highly customizable humanoid models
    You entirely missed the point and just wanted to ramble because of your investment in Evoker/Dracthyr. By comparison, the Dragonflight announcement with Dracthyr/Evoker does not have the wow factor that the Legion announcement with Demon Hunters have. You literally said it yourself

    Quote Originally Posted by Therougetitan View Post
    and we haven't even got to see most of it according to you but it is already seems better.
    Saying "Dracthyr and their visage form will have more customization than any current race" is a great soundbite and nothing more without the actual data to back it up, which we have none of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    is enough of a wow factor.

    It sort of helps that blue is my favorite color, but still.....
    That's a really small wow factor bar for you then. Not a fan of the blue but the bronze looks fantastic.

  6. #56086
    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed010 View Post
    Yes, and we have 0 real information about how they actually look, outside of one model, some face shots, and 4 ability animations. Legion had DHs and showed us some of their customization (horns, tattoos, blindfolds), the same amount of face shots as Dragonflight, some basic gear, the different meta forms, and some ability details. And Legion was announced with the DH starting zone available to testing so what the animations and some early talent trees were available, too.

    There's nothing "wow" about Dracthyr and Evoker because there's no real information about them. If this is "wow" to you then your bar is incredibly low.



    DKs were announced in a time where there wasn't a Blizzcon and information wasn't being datamined weekly, and even then DKs were much more well received than Evokers.

    Again, if a "wow" factor is seeing some extra features shown on head shots, a few new spells, and 0 actual information about the new race's customization in the actual form it'll be in a majority of the time is like, then your bar for "wow" is very low.
    Your metrics for what constitutes "wow" factor seems fairly arbitrary. I can't imagine seeing the different armor they can change in the barbershop is going to suddenly make this supposed "non-wow-factor" race become extraordinary to you.

    Well, let's compare anyway.

    Here's what we have for Dracthyr:

    • Animations for: walking, waving, dancing, more than 4 attack animations
    • Customizations for: horn decorations, horn shapes, scales patterns, scale color for each dragonflight + more, wider torso, eye colors, different color armor for head + chest, different snouts
    • Customizations for their visage forms, of which we have seen *a lot* of - horns, scales, eye colors, hair decorations, beards, earrings, hair colors, skin colors
    • Details for: racials, some ability mechanics, their origin story and what their starting zone is going to include + screenshots of said zone, what player armor is visible on them,
    • Concept art of their tier gear


    We have seen more unique customization for Dracthyr (dragon + visage form) than Demon Hunter even *has* in the game. Maybe you have simply missed a lot of the art and reveals, which sounds likely considering you say we have "0 information". Discounting the visage form is also an arbitrary decision that seems to exist solely to justify your argument. The visage form *is* important to the Dracthyr, even if you don't use it in combat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed010 View Post
    That's a really small wow factor bar for you then. Not a fan of the blue but the bronze looks fantastic.
    Blue dragons mean Arcane dragons, which means we get cool stuff like this;


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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed010 View Post
    Yes, and we have 0 real information about how they actually look, outside of one model, some face shots, and 4 ability animations. Legion had DHs and showed us some of their customization (horns, tattoos, blindfolds), the same amount of face shots as Dragonflight, some basic gear, the different meta forms, and some ability details. And Legion was announced with the DH starting zone available to testing so what the animations and some early talent trees were available, too.

    There's nothing "wow" about Dracthyr and Evoker because there's no real information about them. If this is "wow" to you then your bar is incredibly low.



    DKs were announced in a time where there wasn't a Blizzcon and information wasn't being datamined weekly, and even then DKs were much more well received than Evokers.

    Again, if a "wow" factor is seeing some extra features shown on head shots, a few new spells, and 0 actual information about the new race's customization in the actual form it'll be in a majority of the time is like, then your bar for "wow" is very low.
    If it helps you, from what we've currently seen, Dracthyr-form customization currently seems to include:


    -Skin color, obviously
    -Some sort of secondary patterning, e.g. tiger stripes vs large scales

    -Horn shape (Including: Ram, long thin ibek-y ones, normal dragony curved hook (in both spiked and smooth), Deathwing-style multi-horns, short deer horns)
    -Horn color (appears independent of skin color as there are two different blue-skinned promotional shots--Includes: black, brass, grey-blue, rust, bone-colored, silver)
    -Horn decoration (includes rings, additional small spikes/crystals growing off the horns, armor plates on the base, etc.)


    -Face shape with significant structure variations (Including: wider lizard/alligator look, sharp beak-like snapping turtle, rounded dinosaur-y, a more vulpine wolf sort of angled one)
    -"Ear" fins (appears to be independent of horn, as the ram horns on the headshot and running gif have different ones, includes: none, long night-elfy, fish fins, bat-wing, possibly spikes instead)
    -A separate facial spike "facial features"(?) option (appears to be independent of ear fins, includes: spikes along the jaw, clusters of crystal like spikes, spikes around the eyes, scale-like spines around the eyes)

    -There's some sort of neck spike/fin option, unsure if this is linked to the previous facial feature, but doesn't appear to be.

    -Shoulder/collarbone scales (includes large triangular spikes, clusters of more feathery little spikes)
    -Arm scale type (smooth scale textures like the current Zandalar disonaurs or Zandalari druid forms, 3D spikes on the forearms)
    -Leg scale type (doesn't appear to be linked to the arm? Smooth dinosaur or spiked scale plates)

    -Tail type (possibly divided into two options, tip and fins--this fins option might be linked to the above spike/fin options, tips include spiked mace tails, smooth tails, finned aquatic tails, at least two different shaped demon style "arrow" tails)

    Obviously as a disclaimer, some of these might be linked and a single option. But I went through and looked at most of them and they seem to mostly be independent, or at least, have so many variations baked in that you're able to pick your combination as if they were independent.

    I didn't include pictures for this because it'd be a ton of pictures, but if you're curious about any (or the source for them being a separate option) I can reply with images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed010 View Post
    DKs were announced in a time where there wasn't a Blizzcon and information wasn't being datamined weekly, and even then DKs were much more well received than Evokers.
    https://www.engadget.com/2007-08-03-...ght-class.html

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  10. #56090
    Do you all think Net-o-Matic 5000 will work on Dragonriding and Dracthyr? Something tells me the first few weeks of Dragonflight in War Mode will be a mix of hilarious and frustrating.

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    WoW adding an updated Goldshire model and Scalies at the same time cannot be a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    WoW adding an updated Goldshire model and Scalies at the same time cannot be a coincidence.
    Implementing a brand, new Lizard Lounge™.
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

  13. #56093
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrexia View Post
    You're obviously a waste of time to try and talk to, you always resort to profanities and belittling everything that does not suit your desires, I will welcome you to ignore now as you are not a very constructive member of this forum and the mods should probably give you a vacation as you clearly need it.

    Good Bye!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    Brother you have an anime avatar of a twinky wankstain. The only one wimpy here is you. PLEASE have some self awareness before you come here with the most unique takes of all time.
    Lol Dagoth. It rhymes nicely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    People really need to consider that this;



    Is going to be taller than a tauren, and have gigantic wings when it takes flight, which it can do even in combat.

    It's going to look very impressive in-game. I really feel that the detractors simply aren't looking at things fully.
    No matter how tall a noodle is it's still a noodle. Weak body. Unimpressive stature. Bad model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Au-burn View Post
    Good bye doctor!

    Lol Dagoth. It rhymes nicely.


    No matter how tall a noodle is it's still a noodle. Weak body. Unimpressive stature. Bad model.
    You really should stop your toxic masculinity here. Yeah we get it, you hate the Dracthyr. Move on. Some people also hate Kul Tirans, or Vulpera for whatever reason, or Mechagnomes. Some people even hate on DH's or DK's. No need to yell it every 5 seconds. Btw, you can fullfill your big beefy fantasy with other races
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  15. #56095
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    You really should stop your toxic masculinity here. Yeah we get it, you hate the Dracthyr. Move on. Some people also hate Kul Tirans, or Vulpera for whatever reason, or Mechagnomes. Some people even hate on DH's or DK's. No need to yell it every 5 seconds. Btw, you can fullfill your big beefy fantasy with other races
    I mean you can fullfill your fantasy for beefy males with Dracthyr. Visage form exists and its BMI is in the single digits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Au-burn View Post
    No matter how tall a noodle is it's still a noodle. Weak body. Unimpressive stature. Bad model.
    I'm happy for the slender dragon form. Would feel wrong to play female character only for it to turn into some buff bara-daddy in combat.

  17. #56097
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrexia View Post
    You're obviously a waste of time to try and talk to, you always resort to profanities and belittling everything that does not suit your desires, I will welcome you to ignore now as you are not a very constructive member of this forum and the mods should probably give you a vacation as you clearly need it.

    Good Bye!
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    Brother you have an anime avatar of a twinky wankstain. The only one wimpy here is you. PLEASE have some self awareness before you come here with the most unique takes of all time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    You really should stop your toxic masculinity here. Yeah we get it, you hate the Dracthyr. Move on. Some people also hate Kul Tirans, or Vulpera for whatever reason, or Mechagnomes. Some people even hate on DH's or DK's. No need to yell it every 5 seconds. Btw, you can fullfill your big beefy fantasy with other races
    Dracthyr could use some of that masculinity poisoning. It would do them good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    I'm happy for the slender dragon form. Would feel wrong to play female character only for it to turn into some buff bara-daddy in combat.
    There can be two bodies, one for females and one for males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean you can fullfill your fantasy for beefy males with Dracthyr. Visage form exists and its BMI is in the single digits.
    True! Also, I dare everyone to call a person with the stature of the Dracthyr a "wimp" in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Au-burn View Post
    Dracthyr could use some of that masculinity poisoning. It would do them good.

    There can be two bodies, one for females and one for males.
    I guess I shouldn't feed the troll, but Dracthyr don't need different bodies for males and females. Leave your gender norms at home please, we live in 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    True! Also, I dare everyone to call a person with the stature of the Dracthyr a "wimp" in real life.

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    I guess I shouldn't feed the troll, but Dracthyr don't need different bodies for males and females. Leave your gender norms at home please, we live in 2022.
    They do need them if only cause most draconic races in WoW have them. It would solve all the problems with this race-class.

    Calls someone a troll and proceeds with super trollish answer, 2022 in-fucking-deed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Au-burn View Post
    They do need them if only cause most draconic races in WoW have them. It would solve all the problems with this race-class.

    Calls someone a troll and proceeds with super trollish answer, 2022 in-fucking-deed.
    Well I hope I don't have to tell you why gender stereotyping is bad. It's great that Blizzard is progressive for once with the Dracthyr. And as Nymrohd already said, the male visage form is "manly enough".

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