Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Very interested in the upcoming novel. The Sylvanas book left me completely cold, my interest for that wasn't existing, but a prequel novel for Dragonflight sounds great. And I enjoy all the novels about the dragons, they're usually very good.

I mean it at least explained what was happening a bit better.

[Lady Atia]

I mean it at least explained what was happening a bit better.

This. The Sylvanas novel was the best warcraft novel we ever got, we need more of that stuff. Shadows Rising was cool, but in the great scheme of things totally unnecessary. I guess that was because people complained that "important story shouldn't be in novels".

[Raetary]

What we need is an actually coherent story and more extensive storytelling in-game, not another 30 bucks novel to explain it all after the story is done.

[Nyel]

I mean it at least explained what was happening a bit better.

I guess you really have to care about Sylvanas and Shadowlands to be interested in that novel. For me neither was the case and I am super happy that Shadowlands can be treated as WoD and completely ignored for the greater WoW lore (as of now).

[Lady Atia]

What we need is an actually coherent story and more extensive storytelling in-game, not another 30 bucks novel to explain it all after the story is done.

True, they should have released the Sylvanas novel as the prequel for Shadowlands (of course minus the epilogue). All I'm saying is that I would rather get a Warcrimes/Sylvanas/Arthas/Illidan novel that actually matters instead of another Shadows Rising that was .... basically 15 bucks (because that's what the novels cost, not 30 lol) for nothing.

[Civciv]

I guess you really have to care about Sylvanas and Shadowlands to be interested in that novel. For me neither was the case and I am super happy that Shadowlands can be treated as WoD and completely ignored for the greater WoW lore (as of now).

If you aren't interested in Sylvanas, why did you buy a book that's dedicated to her story

[Raetary]

(because that's what the novels cost, not 30 lol).

The kindle version is 15, the actual book is 25.

[Nymrohd]

I guess you really have to care about Sylvanas and Shadowlands to be interested in that novel. For me neither was the case and I am super happy that Shadowlands can be treated as WoD and completely ignored for the greater WoW lore (as of now).

Oh I didn't buy it but from all the summaries it seems it actually gave some information on what the plan was. She still came off as a moron it just was a moron that made a lick of sense at least.

[Lady Atia]

The kindle version is 15, the actual book is 25.

Well, I only read on my IPad these days - still, if you want it cheaper, just get the ebook than?

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Also, I'm already starting to save the transmogs for my upcoming Draenei and Tauren Rogues - hoping they would allow us to create them with 9.2.5 already. Arghhhhhhh.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

What we need is an actually coherent story and more extensive storytelling in-game, not another 30 bucks novel to explain it all after the story is done.

This is not happening due to the Two Year Cycle and the dysfunctionality between the Development Team and the Narrative Team. The Narrative Team has to cut their story when the development team is behind and again it is extremely unclear if the writers even pre-write/pre-plan at this point in time with how the last two expansions have happened and the amount of problems associated with the fact that it seems they had different plans that they could not execute because of everything being on fire.

Again, I've long advocated for the Narrative Team to at least have a place in-game to conduct themselves with writings whether its a Lore Tab or something else. I've also advocated for the inclusion of Blizzard Library to be integrated into the game and allow players to have quick access to any EPUB/PDF of any Warcraft Book simple and at ease by purchasing it in-game having access to it both in-game and out of game.

But, also the Narrative Team SHOULD SERIOUSLY have a Lore Tab to add lore to and additional lore that cannot manifest itself in game content. It is the first and best solution in the short term before we get a company that may care more about the brand than Activision Blizzard. Although again hopium and all that with the whole Microsoft deal (if it even goes through, lol).

The point is that the Narrative has no value to the suits. (obviously it does because it destroys the credibility and the overall attachment rate of fans which is dangerous for a franchise. But, they don't really care about that)

Regardless, I expect the Campaign System to return with minimal amounts of text and quotes that showcase that the characters are clearly being puppeteered rather than actual real characters in a fantasy universe. While also again, feeding us breadcrumbs while the writing tries to tease about "how we're wrong and that at the end you will see that this is going to lead to an epic shocking conclusion that you couldn't foresee" and then you get there and it is literally nothing of value other than the loud screaming of management stating that they need to Cut & Run to 11.0 while your stuck in clown makeup and have a pie on your face while the medical staff comes in with a straitjacket for your insane theories while Steve wiggles his finger at you going "No, no you should go to the looney bin for believing my writing!".

Also Steve Danuser said that the ending of Dragonflight was going to be epic. So make up what you will about that.

I personally think the Campaign System is a complete disaster for the game. It has never succeeded at what it set out to do which was provide a weekly narrative slice of Warcraft story in which the audience is satisfied. It just does not do that at all.

[Cheezits]

There is also at least one new encrypted armor set on the PTR. Could be a new preorder bonus, could be an AR armor. Actually could Marlamin or a dataminer tell us if it is tied to the preorder items?

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Regardless, I expect the Campaign System to return with minimal amounts of text and quotes that showcase that the characters are clearly being puppeteered rather than actual real characters in a fantasy universe. While also again, feeding us breadcrumbs while the writing tries to tease about "how we're wrong and that at the end you will see that this is going to lead to an epic shocking conclusion that you couldn't foresee" and then you get there and it is literally nothing of value other than the loud screaming of management stating that they need to Cut & Run to 11.0 while your stuck in clown makeup and have a pie on your face while the medical staff comes in with a straitjacket for your insane theories while Steve wiggles his finger at you going "No, no you should go to the looney bin for believing my writing!".

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

[Nyel]

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

Isn't Khadgar about to come back as well?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

11:31 Manny: Okay. But though Alexstraza is still there, most of the original Aspects have passed away, so we are now left with Alexstraza and Murozond (Nozdormu,) but we have a new leader actually, the blue dragonflight itself has been disbanded. The Black dragonflight is down to two known black dragons. So many of these dragonflights are in shambles, are we going to be seeing like a rebuilding of, even if they don’t restore themselves with the titans, are we going to be seeing a rebuilding of those flights throughout this initial part of expansion?

Steve: Yeah, that’s again a huge part of the level-up campaign and some of the max-level narrative chapters that will unfold as well. So like you said it very well, the dragon flights as compared to how they once were are in shambles, Alexstraza still leads the red flight and Nozdormu still leads the bronze. But you know, Nozdormu faced many challenges during Cataclysm, where we saw this future self of him turning into Murozond and becoming infinite. And so that’s, he knows that is coming at some point, that transformation moment and that weighs heavily on his mind and he’s having trouble clearly seeing the time ways right now.

Confirmed source on this is that Steve talked about doing Chapters for Endgame story delivery. So yes, the story is structured just like Shadowlands.

Source: For Azeroth Ep 210, Warcraftradio interview with Steve Danuser.

Anyways, if you want to argue that Chapters is something else. Fine, I'm just saying that the Campaign System that we've seen was structured the same way indicating that it is not going to get a revamp or any changes that make it better for the audience to go through.

Again, there's some contradictions here from Ions' point of view regarding Time Gating that goes against the typical Campaign structure being likely but we'll see.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Has a campaign cast even been confirmed for Dragonflight? Currently the only non-Dragon confirmed is Tyrande, and that may just be for the seed.

Wrathion and Kalecgos might be involved to but there hasn't been too much information. No mention of Nozdormu either which is more suspect.

[Lahis]

There is also at least one new encrypted armor set on the PTR. Could be a new preorder bonus, could be an AR armor. Actually could Marlamin or a dataminer tell us if it is tied to the preorder items?

It seems like dataminers mostly don't care. Shit is either encrypted, or missing filenames so it is impossible to get any info.

[ChairmanKaga]

Why? They're all dead and will at most be seen in some Wrathion flashback.

It's speculation either way but I don't think they will pass on the opportunity to update them as they are only slight tweaks to base dragon model and may be used during Dragonflight in some capacity.

[Ersula]

It seems like dataminers mostly don't care. Shit is either encrypted, or missing filenames so it is impossible to get any info.

What happened to Ybarra saying there would be a ton of new DF info in May? May is half over & all they announced was Arclight Rumble.

You know that people who would only log in because they read about a new thing on wowhead will still do that, just as the same time as everyone else explores the new stuff? Yes, the news draught sucks right now, but it's still better than the old way in the end. The old "everything is dataminable on the PTR" stance was like you could play with your birthday presents you get in advance, just dumb.

Then why have a PTR at all? Its supposed to be a cost effective testing method & you're only going to get people to do that for you because of the "birthday presents" principal.

It makes no sense to design your development strategy based on people who go out of their way to look for spoilers then get mad about it: Those people are the very definition of a vocal minority.

They've put major quest lines on the splash page before. I'm not insisting anything is typical because this is the first time they are heavily encrypting things. However that still doesn't mean that the splash page is confirmed or has to be pre-order stuff.

Not *encrypted* questlines.

[rhorle]

Not *encrypted* questlines.

Right. Which can explain why the splash page is encrypted because the major quest that would appear there is also encrypted. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

[Ersula]

Right. Which can explain why the splash page is encrypted because the major quest that would appear there is also encrypted. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

I didn't say it was hard to understand. I said it was unusual. And stupid.

[rhorle]

I didn't say it was hard to understand. I said it was unusual. And stupid.

It is hardly stupid. Blizzard doesn't want things to be spoiled so they are encrypting anything that could possible mention what they want to be hidden. Calling it stupid just makes you come across as angry because you can't know story details before hand.