Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

The new talents system should be shown this week I guess.

Yeah I think that's the highest priority. Show at least a few of those. I'll remind people, the last time we got significant class revamp was in Legion. Less than one week after the expansion reveal we were given the full schedule for the class blogs including the first blog.

Sure a Drac'thyr cosmetic blog would be nice but outside the 30 people that very passionately assert they represent the entire WoW population (most of which probably doesn't even know what a Drac'thyr or Evoker is) I doubt that would be important. Nothing imo is more important than how the classes play.

[Lady Atia]

Timing between when Alpha first appears in CDN and when it becomes publicly dataminable is I think close to 7 weeks? I would not expect Alpha before end of May-early June under normal conditions until 9.2.5 goes live anyway.

Yeah, that's the usual timeframe but they implied in interviews that we would get the df alpha sooner. So fingers crossed!

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Yeah I think that's the highest priority. Show at least a few of those. I'll remind people, the last time we got significant class revamp was in Legion. Less than one week after the expansion reveal we were given the full schedule for the class blogs including the first blog.

Sure a Drac'thyr cosmetic blog would be nice but outside the 30 people that very passionately assert they represent the entire WoW population (most of which probably doesn't even know what a Drac'thyr or Evoker is) I doubt that would be important. Nothing imo is more important than how the classes play.

I was never that much in theorycrafting, but will people be able to do for example sims just with the new talent trees or would we need alpha access first?

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, that's the usual timeframe but they implied in interviews that we would get the df alpha sooner. So fingers crossed!

They just said we'd get it soon. Did they say sooner than usual? 9.2.5 is still on the PTR and we have not seen a release candidate. I am not even sure they've done a focus test of the Fated affix yet.

[therumblings]

They said they wanted to get the talents out as soon as possible for people to see, so I'd imagine that's coming first, whenever it is.

[Lady Atia]

They just said we'd get it soon. Did they say sooner than usual? 9.2.5 is still on the PTR and we have not seen a release candidate. I am not even sure they've done a focus test of the Fated affix yet.

They don't have to test season 4 stuff in order to release the patch though - they can easily do testing a few weeks before season 3 ends. Besides that, SotFO has shown that they can do testing internally just fine.

And Ion said "soon, no TM" which implies to me it's sooner than the classic blizzard soon(TM).

[Nymrohd]

I was never that much in theorycrafting, but will people be able to do for example sims just with the new talent trees or would we need alpha access first?

The talent trees will not include coefficient so no sims. THere will likely be some napkin math but more importantly people with theorycrafting experience will be able to tell possible problematic interactions between talents or talents were the community will need clarification on their wording. They'll also get a much broader reaction to certain design choices like talented CC.

[Lady Atia]

The talent trees will not include coefficient so no sims. THere will likely be some napkin math but more importantly people with theorycrafting experience will be able to tell possible problematic interactions between talents or talents were the community will need clarification on their wording. They'll also get a much broader reaction to certain design choices like talented CC.

I guess I just can't imagine what talent trees alone would bring, especially without numbers tuning. I guess you can go over them on paper, but playing them would be far more helpful than that, right?

[Nymrohd]

I guess I just can't imagine what talent trees alone would bring, especially without numbers tuning. I guess you can go over them on paper, but playing them would be far more helpful than that, right?

In Legion with the class blogs several concepts they had for playstyles did not survive the initial exposure to the public; a few never made it to alpha and had already been changed by the time it launched. So yes, there is a lot of value with them showing us the concepts.

[Lady Atia]

In Legion with the class blogs several concepts they had for playstyles did not survive the initial exposure to the public; a few never made it to alpha and had already been changed by the time it launched. So yes, there is a lot of value with them showing us the concepts.

Well I don't remember that but now I fear that potential cool concepts may end up cutted because of "feedback". Shouldn't the goal of the new talent trees be to give more options, more builds and more freedom? I know we will prolly end up with cookie cutter builds for specific situations, but imo more playstyles are always good!

[Sondrelk]

Well I don't remember that but now I fear that potential cool concepts may end up cutted because of "feedback". Shouldn't the goal of the new talent trees be to give more options, more builds and more freedom? I know we will prolly end up with cookie cutter builds for specific situations, but imo more playstyles are always good!

Well the flipside of losing cool looking talents is that we might be able to point out some that are particularly bad or unfitting for the spec.

Marksmanship has had one of the worst talent trees ever since Legion, and it's important to get in early to point out which talents are boring, unusable, contrary to spec flavor, or even what we have now where some talent rows give you the choice between niche ST, niche AoE, or plain better at both.

[Lady Atia]

Well the flipside of losing cool looking talents is that we might be able to point out some that are particularly bad or unfitting for the spec.

Marksmanship has had one of the worst talent trees ever since Legion, and it's important to get in early to point out which talents are boring, unusable, contrary to spec flavor, or even what we have now where some talent rows give you the choice between niche ST, niche AoE, or plain better at both.

Well, I wouldn't mind if they could make non-lonewolf builds playable with 10.0. Never was a fan of choosing a pet class and be forced to play without your pet.

[Kiria]

Thursday is the 30-day mark since Dragonflight's announcement. I'm hoping they reveal some stuff. That Dracthyr blog would be very welcome at this point.

God I hope so, I'm just scrambling for more information at this point..

[Sondrelk]

Well, I wouldn't mind if they could make non-lonewolf builds playable with 10.0. Never was a fan of choosing a pet class and be forced to play without your pet.

You can play with your pet though, you just lose out on burst and AoE. Your sustained single target damage is near enough what you do normally, and you additionally get the extra utility.

[Kiria]

You can play with your pet though, you just lose out on burst and AoE. Your sustained single target damage is near enough what you do normally, and you additionally get the extra utility.

Lone wolf is too much of a loss though, this is the sad reality between having a pet or not with you, I prefer not to have pets but I'm just making life more difficult for myself without one.

[Sondrelk]

Lone wolf is too much of a loss though, this is the sad reality between having a pet or not with you, I prefer not to have pets but I'm just making life more difficult for myself without one.

It's a big loss in pure DPS, but outside that you don't really lose a whole lot by using a pet. I usually use one when doing world content since hunters are so squishy.
The most annoying part is simply when you want to use hero, but also gain the damage from Lone Wolf.

[Kiria]

It's a big loss in pure DPS, but outside that you don't really lose a whole lot by using a pet. I usually use one when doing world content since hunters are so squishy.
The most annoying part is simply when you want to use hero, but also gain the damage from Lone Wolf.

Indeed but at that point you may aswell leave the pet out or leave lust to other DPS, thats what I do as I use a pet in overworld aswell and not in raids.

But honestly lately I got bored with MM so switch to BM as its just easier to play and do decent damage, MM's not hard to play bu it gets mindnumbingly boring with how few actual damaging skills we have now.

[Makabreska]

Peeps gotta be ready that a vast majority of DF talents will be current and past abilities/talents/set bonuses/leggo powers/Cov abilities. And that is not a bad thing, considering how many of these simply worked. Plus, different combinations may yield interesting results.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Peeps gotta be ready that a vast majority of DF talents will be current and past abilities/talents/set bonuses/leggo powers/Cov abilities. And that is not a bad thing, considering how many of these simply worked. Plus, different combinations may yield interesting results.

Based on what exactly.

[Alanar]

Peeps gotta be ready that a vast majority of DF talents will be current and past abilities/talents/set bonuses/leggo powers/Cov abilities. And that is not a bad thing, considering how many of these simply worked. Plus, different combinations may yield interesting results.

I though this was well known already since their df pressentation.

It could result in funny little.combinations we never had before. One cool side of it is that the whole hybrid stuff is coming back full force.

A thing that peeps might forget is that we probably get versions of them which are either at a reduced effect or simply altered. Which is bound to happen.

[Makabreska]

Based on what exactly.

What what exactly? My assumptions? Based on glancing over revealed druid talents sheet, and on an educated guess, that tells us that whipping out a bunch of new talents is not easy, especially when years of game development left a plethora of good powers that just beg to be used. Simply look how many leggo powers in SL are copied from old leggos/set bonuses.