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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Or none of both. Dragonflight is the first time Steve can show us what he can do with lore and Shadowlands was the last expansion tainted by Afrasiabi's influence. I doubt they will kill of Alextrasza nor Stony Tony (that's his nick name, not stone bro ... ewww .... stone bro sounds super toxic).
    That and well its just coincidence and well, characters don't need to be killed off randomly or that fast. Its a waste of potential. (RIP Son of Saurfang all the way back in Wrath).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duoberus View Post
    In BfA, Saurfang. In Shadowlands, Krexus... but that wasn't the actual SL cinematic.
    Neither was Saurfangs little cinematic sob story, the CGI trailer was the one set in Lordaeron.

    Mops trailer children are all alive, same for BfA and Shadowlands.
    There is no reason to assume anyone in the DF cinematic is gonna die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Or none of both. Dragonflight is the first time Steve can show us what he can do with lore and Shadowlands was the last expansion tainted by Afrasiabi's influence. I doubt they will kill of Alextrasza nor Stony Tony (that's his nick name, not stone bro ... ewww .... stone bro sounds super toxic).
    Trying to pin the blame on Afrasiabi is still kind of ridiculous in my views, and just feels like copium.
    9.2 was 100% done by Danuser & Co, and it was still eurgh. Hate him all you like as a person (he deserves it), but Afrasiabi has done some really memorable story lines for the game. Garrosh for example is still beloved by the community, and Legion had an okay story which didn't ruffle many feathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkan View Post
    Trying to pin the blame on Afrasiabi is still kind of ridiculous in my views, and just feels like copium.
    9.2 was 100% done by Danuser & Co, and it was still eurgh. Hate him all you like as a person (he deserves it), but Afrasiabi has done some really memorable story lines for the game. Garrosh for example is still beloved by the community, and Legion had an okay story which didn't ruffle many feathers.
    And he also threw Teldrassil to the flame with not much planning. So Afrasiabi is not some writing god and I'm not gonna damn Danuser easily, this forum does way too much of it and for f's sake stop using the word copium, its overused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    And he also threw Teldrassil to the flame with not much planning. So Afrasiabi is not some writing god and I'm not gonna damn Danuser easily, this forum does way too much of it and for f's sake stop using the word copium, its overused.
    Don't take words out of my mouth, I never said he was a "writing god".
    And I'm not gonna stop using copium, even if it is overused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkan View Post
    Trying to pin the blame on Afrasiabi is still kind of ridiculous in my views, and just feels like copium.
    9.2 was 100% done by Danuser & Co, and it was still eurgh. Hate him all you like as a person (he deserves it), but Afrasiabi has done some really memorable story lines for the game. Garrosh for example is still beloved by the community, and Legion had an okay story which didn't ruffle many feathers.
    9.2 was awesome though? We finally got back Sylvanas and honestly, the Zereth Mortis lore is actually quite cool. And! They didn't killed off beloved characters. The only bad thing about Shadowlands was the content draughts and the lack of exploration of Zoovals background. Funnily enough, the ending was implied from the start - Sylvanas always said they are doing this for the bigger good, so no clue why people are suddenly surprised. Yes, the Sepulcher finale was too short and missed an epilogue but we got that with the Judgement of Sylvie and we also had the awesome Anduin cinematic a week before.

    Btw, I wouldn't be surprised if Danuser actually saved Aszhara from getting killed off. Afrasiabi seemed to like to kill any cool characters afterall.

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    Yeah you'll find that most people in this forum at least were not looking to finally get back Sylvanas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkan View Post
    Trying to pin the blame on Afrasiabi is still kind of ridiculous in my views, and just feels like copium.
    9.2 was 100% done by Danuser & Co, and it was still eurgh. Hate him all you like as a person (he deserves it), but Afrasiabi has done some really memorable story lines for the game. Garrosh for example is still beloved by the community, and Legion had an okay story which didn't ruffle many feathers.
    Garrosh? GARROSH? Garrosh had a good story in Cataclysm, true. MoP completely raped his character though just to make him a villain. WoD did manage to redeem him just to get him killed off though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    9.2 was awesome though? We finally got back Sylvanas and honestly, the Zereth Mortis lore is actually quite cool. And! They didn't killed off beloved characters. The only bad thing about Shadowlands was the content draughts and the lack of exploration of Zoovals background. Funnily enough, the ending was implied from the start - Sylvanas always said they are doing this for the bigger good, so no clue why people are suddenly surprised. Yes, the Sepulcher finale was too short and missed an epilogue but we got that with the Judgement of Sylvie and we also had the awesome Anduin cinematic a week before.

    Btw, I wouldn't be surprised if Danuser actually saved Aszhara from getting killed off. Afrasiabi seemed to like to kill any cool characters afterall.
    I respect your opinions, and I'm glad you enjoyed it but.. Let's just say much of what you enjoyed wasn't popular with the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Garrosh? GARROSH? Garrosh had a good story in Cataclysm, true. MoP completely raped his character though just to make him a villain. WoD did manage to redeem his character just to get him killed off though.
    No, his character wasn't ruined. His character went the way it should of. It could of gone different but the signs were already there in Wrath.


    Don't take words out of my mouth, I never said he was a "writing god".
    And I'm not gonna stop using copium, even if it is overused.
    You implied it with how you spoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    No, his character wasn't ruined. His character went the way it should of. It could of gone different but the signs were already there in Wrath.
    Really for all that I enjoy Stonetalon Garrosh, the Garrosh that challenged Thrall to a Mak'gora instead of attempting any actual discussion back in the Wrath pre-event, the one who completely discounted Saurfang in Borean Tundra and who was in every zone other than Stonetalon in Cata is the same Garrosh of MoP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Really for all that I enjoy Stonetalon Garrosh, the Garrosh that challenged Thrall to a Mak'gora instead of attempting any actual discussion back in the Wrath pre-event, the one who completely discounted Saurfang in Borean Tundra and who was in every zone other than Stonetalon in Cata is the same Garrosh of MoP.
    That's the thing with Stonetalon Garrosh. He's the outlier characterization. Mind you, that could have been the watershed moment that lead them to a different path, but the fact that wasn't followed through, nor resonates with his later -or former- characterization frames it more as a narrative false step.

    It's pretty telling of WoW's narrative cohesion that different writers hold very different versions of the characters and that there's a serious lack of an overseeing editor role.

    Thing is, it's not that uncommon on comic books, and I really feels like WoW borrows, more than anything, from those types of narratives. Different creators with different versions of the characters that conflict each other, with characterizations and motivations that come across as isolated and lacking a cohesive, unified vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    That's the thing with Stonetalon Garrosh. He's the outlier characterization. Mind you, that could have been the watershed moment that lead them to a different path, but the fact that wasn't followed through, nor resonates with his later -or former- characterization frames it more as a narrative false step.

    It's pretty telling of WoW's narrative cohesion that different writers hold very different versions of the characters and that there's a serious lack of an overseeing editor role.

    Thing is, it's not that uncommon on comic books, and I really feels like WoW borrows, more than anything, from those types of narratives. Different creators with different versions of the characters that conflict each other, with characterizations and motivations that come across as isolated and lacking a cohesive, unified vision.
    I think it probably just shows how poor the oversight is when it comes to lore. Compare it to other fantasy fiction franchises and you can see it's problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    No, his character wasn't ruined. His character went the way it should of. It could of gone different but the signs were already there in Wrath.
    That applies to Sylvanas too, yet people still claim Afrasiabi ruined her. Her fall from grace was in the works from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    That's the thing with Stonetalon Garrosh. He's the outlier characterization. Mind you, that could have been the watershed moment that lead them to a different path, but the fact that wasn't followed through, nor resonates with his later -or former- characterization frames it more as a narrative false step.

    It's pretty telling of WoW's narrative cohesion that different writers hold very different versions of the characters and that there's a serious lack of an overseeing editor role.

    Thing is, it's not that uncommon on comic books, and I really feels like WoW borrows, more than anything, from those types of narratives. Different creators with different versions of the characters that conflict each other, with characterizations and motivations that come across as isolated and lacking a cohesive, unified vision.
    Also worth noting that according to old interviews, Stonetalon Garrosh was apparently by Afrasiabi, the team had some sort of miscommunication and they then settled on making him more villainous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloidVoid View Post
    That applies to Sylvanas too, yet people still claim Afrasiabi ruined her. Her fall from grace was in the works from the start.
    That's objectively untrue. You don't "hold off" on a storyline for 20 years. Nothing in Shadowlands was "in the works from the start." We've had 3 different creative teams on this franchise since then.

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    Where is Umbric?

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    Still holding on to hope that we get more Mag'har characters, just someone that isn't terribly dull like the current leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bsirk View Post
    Where is Umbric?
    Umbric is on first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloidVoid View Post
    That applies to Sylvanas too, yet people still claim Afrasiabi ruined her. Her fall from grace was in the works from the start.
    Yep.

    Garrosh, in Cataclysm: You're like the Lich King, Sylvanas!

    Horde players, in BfA: Whaaaa, Sylvanas is mass-raising the dead??? *shocked Pikachu face*

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