Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

If designers decide something is "class identity" and that thing isn't terribly fun or interesting, though, or refuse to give a class something because it might slightly stand on the toes of other classes, that's a good way to start making a few classes very popular and other classes extremely unpopular. Something WoW already kind of has an issue with.

I agree but a Paladin teleport is probably not the way to go.

[Revamp Man]

I wonder what covenant's spells we're going to keep (if every classes keep one ofc).

Druids still have the convoke. If we keep ONE covenant' spell, what do you think we will keep?

Some go really well with the class, others I don't see.

DK : Abomination Limb
DH : Fodder to the Flame I guess
Hunter : They all fit, so dunno, maybe Death Chakram
Mage : dunno
Monk : Faeline Stomp maybe
Paladin : Divine Toll
Priest : Mindgames ?
Rogue : Any
Shaman : Vesper Totem ?
Warlock : Decimating Bolt
Warrior : Dunno

Monks might keep the brew
Warriors would either be banner or the venthyr ability
Mage might be necrolord

[Lady Atia]

I wonder what covenant's spells we're going to keep (if every classes keep one ofc).

Druids still have the convoke. If we keep ONE covenant' spell, what do you think we will keep?

Some go really well with the class, others I don't see.

DK : Abomination Limb
DH : Fodder to the Flame I guess
Hunter : They all fit, so dunno, maybe Death Chakram
Mage : dunno
Monk : Faeline Stomp maybe
Paladin : Divine Toll
Priest : Mindgames ?
Rogue : Any
Shaman : Vesper Totem ?
Warlock : Decimating Bolt
Warrior : Dunno

I just want Wild Spirits, Convoke and Ashen Hollow - everything else isn't really all that memorable to me.

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I somehow doubt Hunters will get the NF or Kyrian abilities. Flayed Shot is a likely option for Marksman though, and Survival might get a reskinned version of Death Chakram.

Most of the Covenant abilities would need a reskin, but if they got it then I imagine we might be seeing more of them. Warrior for instance could really use the Necrolord Banner ability, just reskin to a more generic banner and change the green glow to a red one and you are set.

Eh, Wild Spirits is the ability that makes hunter cool in Shadowlands, I doubt they will remove it. Could see them having you making the choice between Wild Spirits or Flayed Shot though.

[Sondrelk]

I just want Wild Spirits, Convoke and Ashen Hollow - everything else isn't really all that memorable to me.

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Eh, Wild Spirits is the ability that makes hunter cool in Shadowlands, I doubt they will remove it. Could see them having you making the choice between Wild Spirits or Flayed Shot though.

Wild spirits I could see being reskinned into some kind of stampede equivalent for BM, in which case it would be pretty cool.
Unless MM gets reworked into a more button mashy variant i don't think it would really work. But again, Flayed Shot seems like a natural fit for the more technique based hunter fantasy that Marksman has.

In general I think it's a mistake to assume that all covenants abilities will be useable after Shadowlands, especially for every spec. Convoke the spirits seems like it would be a natural fit for Balance druid, but even if it was good it doesn't really strike me as a great fit for Feral, much less Guardian.

[Kaesebrezen]

I wonder what covenant's spells we're going to keep (if every classes keep one ofc).

Depends on what form they come.. as in including )covenant) legendary powers and/or something like mikanos cooldown reduction/plaguey, e.g. Adaptive Swarm for Necrolords with the split legendary, or Boon of the Ascended for Holy/Disc priest with a 1 min CD due to souldbind and legendary, or say frost mages where you can pick death born and cold front/slick ice.

There are specs where i could list several of these old/current talents/legendary powers/set boni that i want back, and then there are specs where i find it hard to even get a few abilities together i would want to keep or come back...

[Lady Atia]

Depends on what form they come.. as in including )covenant) legendary powers and/or something like mikanos cooldown reduction/plaguey, e.g. Adaptive Swarm for Necrolords with the split legendary, or Boon of the Ascended for Holy/Disc priest with a 1 min CD due to souldbind and legendary, or say frost mages where you can pick death born and cold front/slick ice.

There are specs where i could list several of these old/current talents/legendary powers/set boni that i want back, and then there are specs where i find it hard to even get a few abilities together i would want to keep or come back...

Depending on how deep the trees go, I could imagine having covenant legendary effects as something you can skill down the line if you got the covenant ability?

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Wild spirits I could see being reskinned into some kind of stampede equivalent for BM, in which case it would be pretty cool.
Unless MM gets reworked into a more button mashy variant i don't think it would really work. But again, Flayed Shot seems like a natural fit for the more technique based hunter fantasy that Marksman has.

In general I think it's a mistake to assume that all covenants abilities will be useable after Shadowlands, especially for every spec. Convoke the spirits seems like it would be a natural fit for Balance druid, but even if it was good it doesn't really strike me as a great fit for Feral, much less Guardian.

Oh yeah, that would be fine with me. To make it clear, I don't really care about MM/SV, but BM should keep their Wild Spirits as it's the ability that currently creates the glasscannon playstyle.

[Kiivar86]

Warriors better keep Condemn. I fucking love that spell.

Also as for the paladin teleport thing, eh I think its a neat idea, obviously, but the multi-click requirement does sound like a bit more annoying setup.

[Foolicious]

I wonder what covenant's spells we're going to keep (if every classes keep one ofc).

Druids still have the convoke. If we keep ONE covenant' spell, what do you think we will keep?

Some go really well with the class, others I don't see.

DK : Abomination Limb
DH : Fodder to the Flame I guess
Hunter : They all fit, so dunno, maybe Death Chakram
Mage : dunno
Monk : Faeline Stomp maybe
Paladin : Divine Toll
Priest : Mindgames ?
Rogue : Any
Shaman : Vesper Totem ?
Warlock : Decimating Bolt
Warrior : Dunno

Its a personal preference but i think some classes are better without covenant spells. I would love for druid to get all covenant spells for example.
Shaman, Priest, Mage, warlock and Paladin don't need any of them in my opinion.
The hunt for dh, abomination limb for dk, Condemn and the brew(less necrolord themed) for monks would be fitting i guess. Didn't play rogue in sl so no idea what to pick.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The soul Conduit "Mortal combo" is pretty nice for warriors.

[Nymrohd]

Its a personal preference but i think some classes are better without covenant spells. I would love for druid to get all covenant spells for example.
Shaman, Priest, Mage, warlock and Paladin don't need any of them in my opinion.
The hunt for dh, abomination limb for dk, Condemn and the brew(less necrolord themed) for monks would be fitting i guess. Didn't play rogue in sl so no idea what to pick.

For Paladin I think Divine Toll really fits the fantasy, especially for Prot. I enjoy Ashen Hallow but it is far too oppressive when it comes to design. It just limits what you can allow the class to do outside of it.

[Makabreska]

Warriors better keep Condemn. I fucking love that spell.

Also as for the paladin teleport thing, eh I think its a neat idea, obviously, but the multi-click requirement does sound like a bit more annoying setup.

Dunno, this spell seems to swing too hard between OP and outclassed.

[Kyojuro]

Havoc dh The hunt , vengance dh Elysian decree Both reskinned

[Makorus]

Honestly, I hope they bake Icy Propulsion into Icy Veins.

Being able to get 100% uptime on Icy Veins is so fun.

[Kiivar86]

Dunno, this spell seems to swing too hard between OP and outclassed.

Still want it.

At least gimme the visuals. Wouldn't be the first time they've taken an ability and nerfed it to a talent (see WW Monks and their artifact ability being nerfed and made into that double punch talent).

(I still miss the artifact attack, that was so good)

[Sondrelk]

Still want it.

At least gimme the visuals. Wouldn't be the first time they've taken an ability and nerfed it to a talent (see WW Monks and their artifact ability being nerfed and made into that double punch talent).

(I still miss the artifact attack, that was so good)

What is so good about Condemn though? Isn't it really just a slightly more beefy execute useable at the opening burst?

Sounds more like a generic talent to me.

[wowrefugee]

Does anyone recognize this symbol in the middle here? I though it was Blood elf symbol, but I can't find it anywhere.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

What is so good about Condemn though? Isn't it really just a slightly more beefy execute useable at the opening burst?

Sounds more like a generic talent to me.

I'd prefer a talent that makes you lose execute and makes the rest of your abilities stronger(Fury not withstanding here).

[micwini]

I wonder what covenant's spells we're going to keep (if every classes keep one ofc).

Druids still have the convoke. If we keep ONE covenant' spell, what do you think we will keep?

Some go really well with the class, others I don't see.

DK : Abomination Limb
DH : Fodder to the Flame I guess
Hunter : They all fit, so dunno, maybe Death Chakram
Mage : dunno
Monk : Faeline Stomp maybe
Paladin : Divine Toll
Priest : Mindgames ?
Rogue : Any
Shaman : Vesper Totem ?
Warlock : Decimating Bolt
Warrior : Dunno

I think they will go for the best one that fits the fantasy. Shaman with another totem, hunters with Death Chakram (they had a similar abilty (glaive toss?) in the past). Warriors with a banner.

[Raetary]

Mind Games is absolutely gonna stick around for Disc and Shadow.
And i can potentially see Boon stay as well, perhaps as a holy talent.

Fairies and Nova are just not engaging or interesting enough, and don't fit the class theme.
(Though, i am gonna miss the resource fairy)

[Sondrelk]

Does anyone recognize this symbol in the middle here? I though it was Blood elf symbol, but I can't find it anywhere.

It's a part of the new Alexstrasza model. Surprised you didnt catch up on that given you have her as your profile picture.

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I think they will go for the best one that fits the fantasy. Shaman with another totem, hunters with Death Chakram (they had a similar abilty (glaive toss?) in the past). Warriors with a banner.

I don't think they will just blanket give every class a specific covenant ability, but rather pick and choose whether one (or more) of the abilities really fit a specific class or spec, then potentially reskin the abilities if necessary.

Death Chakram makes all the sense for Survival hunter, not so much for Marksmanship or BM, in which case Flayed Shot or a reskinned Wild Spirits respectively would fit much better.

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I'd prefer a talent that makes you lose execute and makes the rest of your abilities stronger(Fury not withstanding here).

Would have to be a pretty impactful late game talent in that case. Execute is deeply ingrained into the Warrior class identity at this point. I would have to imagine it would be on the same level as when Lone Wolf was originally added to Marksman hunter as a level 100 talent.