Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

I don't get what you are on about.
Legion Blizzcon happened 6th-7th nov, right after that we got the first blog announcement on the 8th.
Day after we got the paladin blog, day after the dk blog, etc.

This year we just got what we would get from the Blizzcon panel, then radio silence despite talk of Dracthyr and talent blogs.

[Dracullus]

I don't get what you are on about.
Legion Blizzcon happened 6th-7th nov, right after that we got the first blog announcement on the 8th.
Day after we got the paladin blog, day after the dk blog, etc.

This year we just got what we would get from the Blizzcon panel, then radio silence despite talk of Dracthyr and talent blogs.

Yep. And Blizzcon wasn't reveal of expansion. It was 3 months after reveal. Ion said he want release talents for people before Alpha. He didn't say he will do it when first high from expac reveal will fade out for you guys.

Not to mention all news are 9.2.5 focused. Just like we haven't heard 9.2 specifics before 9.1.5 release, despite - as first PTR build show us - it was pretty advanced. I don't get people always assume Blizzard gives us everything they have right now.

Reveal was exact 1 hour long, so what's more likely - they had only material for 1 hour or they estimated 1 hour is max what typical member of target audience can digest in one sitting? It's not even a question since after reveal we had 5+ interviews for more invested people that gave a lot of additional info.

[boyzma]

WOW AND THEY ALL CAME ON 11TH DAY OF MONTH WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

Please, think one more time about this. I don't want to be blunt.

Here's link from modern site if it'll help you. Check date here.

No....learn how we write dates.....11 is the friggin month, then 8, 9 ect. Jesus

[wowrefugee]

No....learn how we write dates.....11 is the friggin month, then 8, 9 ect. Jesus

The person you're replying to agrees with you.

[Hitei]

It's weird people don't remember that Blizzard has always announced, done interviews and then gone silent until it's time for testing or they are ready to release information in preparation for testing.

[Dracullus]

The person you're replying to agrees with you.

Just another day on mmochampion.

[Ersula]

It's weird people don't remember that Blizzard has always announced, done interviews and then gone silent until it's time for testing or they are ready to release information in preparation for testing.

Which would all be normal if you just ignore the Dragonflight announcement was itself already 5 & a half months late.

[rhorle]

Let it be known if multiple affiliated content creators are making videos about an allied race you know isn't happening, or you say you want to show off talent trees "ASAP" and then your only response is to go silent for a month, that's unacceptable.

And yet it is still normal because Blizzard has always "gone silent" after making reveals or talking about things at events. You might have the occasional blog post or interview but there were always peaks and valleys to information. And lets not pretend this is an actual problem. Because you'll still be around to discuss the game regardless, right?

[pacotaco]

No....learn how we write dates.....11 is the friggin month, then 8, 9 ect. Jesus

I would argue that way of writting dates makes absolutely no sense save for an anglo-saxon. The rest of the world wrte them like normal people, either from long to short (year/month/day) or from short to long (day/month/year)

[Dracullus]

And yet it is still normal because Blizzard has always "gone silent" after making reveals or talking about things at events. You might have the occasional blog post or interview but there were always peaks and valleys to information. And lets not pretend this is an actual problem. Because you'll still be around to discuss the game regardless, right?

Ion said they want release talent trees "ahead of Alpha", not "ASAP" in this interview, so Ersula comment is lie/manipulation, which of course surprise nobody.

Same with "5.5 month late reveal", cause there were no Blizzcon xD. It's so stupid take I don't know where to begin. OBVIOUSLY DF won't launch on date Blizzard could picture two years ago. Since then SL launch and every single patch had their owns delays. Usual Blizzcon November '21 reveal would point to 2022 release, which obviously won't happen.

[huth]

I would argue that way of writting dates makes absolutely no sense save for an anglo-saxon. The rest of the world wrte them like normal people, either from long to short (year/month/day) or from short to long (day/month/year)

Well, of course the people that think going 12-3-1760 on distance conversions would think that is sensible. While the people that go 10-10-10 think they should take their pants of their head.

[therumblings]

You expected release in 2022? If not, where you got that impression that Alpha won't start during summer?

I'm not expecting a 2022 release, my impression was they would get the talent blogs out mid May so we could play around with it quite some time before alpha presumably early June.

[Ersula]

And yet it is still normal because Blizzard has always "gone silent" after making reveals or talking about things at events. You might have the occasional blog post or interview but there were always peaks and valleys to information. And lets not pretend this is an actual problem. Because you'll still be around to discuss the game regardless, right?

Yeah I guess you're right. It's too much to ask for Ion to know the difference between May & June. Or April from November.

[Hitei]

Well, of course the people that think going 12-3-1760 on distance conversions would think that is sensible. While the people that go 10-10-10 think they should take their pants of their head.

1) No one divides miles into yards.
2) 10 is great until you have to divide into thirds.

Yeah I guess you're right. It's too much to ask for Ion to know the difference between May & June. Or April from November.

What are you even whining about at this point?

[rhorle]

Yeah I guess you're right. It's too much to ask for Ion to know the difference between May & June. Or April from November.

Pretty sure Blizzard never specified any month. However your account date should mean you have enough experience with Blizzard to know that delays and things happen. Just relax.

[Melorandor]

Lack of 9.2.5 news sucks.

[Nymrohd]

Btw I know people don't want borrowed power back but what if we could still have max level progression but NO borrowed power.
Imagine this. Once you reach specific goals at max level you get to unlock a talent point. Throughout the expansion you can earn up to 5 additional talent points this way with the extra points capped at each patch at a specific value.
When next xpac comes, we get 10 new levels. If you got all 5 talent points during Dragonflight then you will still level but you won't get any new talent points for the first few levels; the cap will be the same. Nothing gained but also nothing lost, your power was not borrowed just available early On a new player or character, they can get what you got just by leveling.
This would allow for them to add some extra options even during the xpac, make your progression more varied than just gear but would keep you from actually losing power.

As for the issue of talent point bloat (which will happen regardless), the obvious solution is to just add a couple of strong passives with multiple ranks every couple of expacs that soak a lot of points to keep the permutations manageable.

[Lady Atia]

Btw I know people don't want borrowed power back but what if we could still have max level progression but NO borrowed power.
Imagine this. Once you reach specific goals at max level you get to unlock a talent point. Throughout the expansion you can earn up to 5 additional talent points this way with the extra points capped at each patch at a specific value.
When next xpac comes, we get 10 new levels. If you got all 5 talent points during Dragonflight then you will still level but you won't get any new talent points for the first few levels; the cap will be the same. Nothing gained but also nothing lost, your power was not borrowed just available early On a new player or character, they can get what you got just by leveling.
This would allow for them to add some extra options even during the xpac, make your progression more varied than just gear but would keep you from actually losing power.

As for the issue of talent point bloat (which will happen regardless), the obvious solution is to just add a couple of strong passives with multiple ranks every couple of expacs that soak a lot of points to keep the permutations manageable.

No, no, no, no, no!!! Keep the game alt-friendly, don't create another borrowed power like system. Sorry but that's a horrible idea. They already stated they want you just to level and gear up and be done with your character. And that's fine.

[huth]

1) No one divides miles into yards.
2) 10 is great until you have to divide into thirds.

1) That doesn't change that a mile is 1760 yards. Dividing it into feet isn't smarter, either.
2) It isn't when you have to do thirds, either. Nor do you ever need to ask yourself what it is in the next unit up or down; there aren't any, it's all meters.

Besides, the US system is still based on the SI standard which is metric. It just puts some fancy names on arbtirarily chosen metric distances and pretends it's doing something special.

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The problem with Blizzard's communication is its inconsistency. This always happens:

That's a self-contradictory statement. Inconsistent means that there is no "always happens", but that it constantly changes. If there's a specific pattern that always occurs, it might not be great, but it is nonetheless consistent.

[Dracullus]

That's a self-contradictory statement. Inconsistent means that there is no "always happens", but that it constantly changes. If there's a specific pattern that always occurs, it might not be great, but it is nonetheless consistent.

Most funny thing is that there is no radio silence. People literally make shit up about what devs said after DF reveal & how Blizzard dealt with expac reveals in the past to fit their narrative we are in some radio silence right now and things look grim. Oh, and most important all 9.2.5 info is discarded like this patch wasn't part of WoW at all.

There WAS radio silence during Shadowlands, even twice, but since 9.1.5 PTR started last September flow of news & content is best since Legion.