Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

I mean it makes sense to signify all Dragonflights with the Collector's Edition and it also adds an extra flair.

I mean with the confirmation on Dragonflight based Shorts, it would make a lot of sense for the marketing to go all-in on which Flight you identify with.

Really weird to do that when you do not align with a flight. This would have made sense if we'd talk about Dragonflight-Covenants, but we don't.

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Kinda odd they said they'd release a Dracthyr customization blog soon but it's looking to be a few weeks + after pre-orders are out.

Maybe my former hopium about a "visage form-only" allied race can come true, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

Their "soon" is just bs. PTR soon for 9.2 was like 2 months after they first said "it's coming soon", so there's that.

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Or at least do a better job at having all the interview links in one spot so we don't have to depend on WoWHead. They did post links on their weekly summary blog but it is not at all comprehensive.
And yeah, should do a preview.

We're missing a lot of previews right now. The most important is most likely the Dracthyr / Evoker one. It's so weird to have absolutely no clue how Evoker is going to play.

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Again, dragons don't have differences between genders in their dragon form. I would be so mad if they would turn the awesome dracthyr into another "manly buffed ape-race".

Awesome and Dracthyr in a sentence, I love that optimism.

[THC BANDIT]

Again, dragons don't have differences between genders in their dragon form. I would be so mad if they would turn the awesome dracthyr into another "manly buffed ape-race".

Can you leave your gender-norm opinions somewhere else? this is 2022 if we want an option for buff bodies we want that and thats okay. You can still have your feminist body.

[Lady Atia]

Can you leave your gender-norm opinions somewhere else? this is 2022 if we want an option for buff bodies we want that and thats okay. You can still have your feminist body.

Hahahaha. Nice table turn you have there, so I will give you an internet cookie for that for sure. But no, I actually like the current gender neutral option we got for 2022 and I will defend it on the hill. And yes, I love my feminist views, thank you.

[Nyel]

Hahahaha. Nice table turn you have there, so I will give you an internet cookie for that for sure. But no, I actually like the current gender neutral option we got for 2022 and I will defend it on the hill. And yes, I love my feminist views, thank you.

PS: Having representation different from "buffed cis-norm hetero guy" is surely a gender norm, surely.

Representation means options. Having one single form for all types is basically the opposite of representation.

[Lady Atia]

Representation means options. Having one single form for all types is basically the opposite of representation.

Starting off with a non-gendered version and reverting back to classic middle-aged "girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.

[wowrefugee]

Dracthyr are great the way they are.




Edit: One thing I've noticed in my 1 month here is just how many conversations and arguments get rehashed.

It almost makes me feel insane because after a certain point I'd think people would move on after they've said their piece.

[therumblings]

"girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.

is this satire?

[Kiria]

Again, dragons don't have differences between genders in their dragon form. I would be so mad if they would turn the awesome dracthyr into another "manly buffed ape-race".

I agree with Lady Atia, the Dracthyr are fine, those accusing it of being furry bait obviously don't know what furries prefer or are a closet furry themselves, I have a few furry friends and all the "art" they post has barral chested muscular types, not once have I seen a skinny furry variant.

[therumblings]

I don't think you're getting a bulkier option. I think something more like this is likely;



We'll see.

All they have to do is make this an option and they'll be fine. I don't get the whole controversy about them otherwise.

Edit: One thing I've noticed in my 1 month here is just how many conversations and arguments get rehashed.

It almost makes me feel insane because after a certain point I'd think people would move on after they've said their piece.

That's pretty normal for this place. It's the same discussions on repeat over and over and people get bored and begin trolling until there is actual news.

[Makorus]

This whole "BLIZZARD HAS TO CHANGE THE RACE SO THAT I LIKE THEM!" discourse is genuinely idiotic.

Yeah, they could add an option that makes them chunkier, they could add an option that gives them a bigger jaw, they could add an option that gives them a third arm, they could add an option that replaces their head with a robot head, they could do all of those things.

But with every change they add based on kneejerk reactions from the community, they erode the identity of the race.

[therumblings]

This whole "BLIZZARD HAS TO CHANGE THE RACE SO THAT I LIKE THEM!" discourse is genuinely idiotic.

The "Furry" argument makes the least amount of sense to me. Blizzard couldn't have made a dragon race in any shape that wouldn't be corrupted by furry websites. In my opinion the current Dracthyr look okay, I'd prefer some bulkier options and thicker neck for example to look more dragon-like. The head is a bit undersized imo.

[Raetary]

If you honestly think that having them be more muscular would make them less of a furry race, you don't know what a furry is.

[Nyel]

Starting off with a non-gendered version and reverting back to classic middle-aged "girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.

There's nothing middle-aged about "girl and boy forms", it's basic biology how males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society. But we're talking about a fictional race, so it barely matters.

[Nymrohd]

Starting off with a non-gendered version and reverting back to classic middle-aged "girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.

Well the interview suggests THREE torso forms. So if we are lucky we may get a feminine, masculine and non-gendered (non-binary? can it apply to Dracthyr? Do they lack dimorphism or do they actually lack sex with the visage form being an illusion? Can they procreate? Maybe they are even hermaphrodites or some form of intersex creature) form.

[Zulggun]

Starting off with a non-gendered version and reverting back to classic middle-aged "girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.

Holy cow, this post cannot be real.

[Nymrohd]

There's nothing middle-aged about "girl and boy forms", it's basic biology how males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society. But we're talking about a fictional race, so it barely matters.

We are talking about a fictional race whose parent race exhibits no sexual dimorphism. So there is an argument for their form not to be gendered. At the same time we are talking about a race whose alternate form is a very sexualized form so it makes sense for their draconic form to also be gendered. Both sides have arguments by lore tbh.
Given we are getting three torso shapes, it is very much possible for everyone to get what they want (except ofc for the people whose main focus is for others to not get what they want but fuck those people).

[Lady Atia]

Holy cow, this post cannot be real.

Sure, because you guys seem to be offended by the idea alone that there is a race that's the same for male and females in their natural form. And instead of accepting progression you want to revert to your classic view of how males and females have to be.

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There's nothing middle-aged about "girl and boy forms", it's basic biology how males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society. But we're talking about a fictional race, so it barely matters.

Show me a WoW drake that has sexual dimorphism.

[Makorus]

People here seething at the thought of a non-binary race are the same people who were calling Blizz developers "snowflakes" because they replaced images of women, just to put it into perspective.

Crazy to see who the actual snowflakes are.

[therumblings]

People here seething at the thought of a non-binary race are the same people who were calling Blizz developers "snowflakes" because they replaced images of women, just to put it into perspective.

Removing images of women from the game to protect women surely worked out for them in the end.

[Nymrohd]

Show me a WoW drake that has sexual dimorphism.

All Dragonspawn. The females have slim waists and sizeable breasts.

again does not mean there is anything wrong with Dracthyr being non-gendered. As long as they are presented as such in the lore. At the same time their visage form makes any claim that Blizzard is trying to present positive body shape examples for non-binary people farsical when they'll be forced into swimmers' builts with perfect 8 packs or thicc thighs and large breasts the moment they want to mount up.