1. #57061
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    This whole "BLIZZARD HAS TO CHANGE THE RACE SO THAT I LIKE THEM!" discourse is genuinely idiotic.
    The "Furry" argument makes the least amount of sense to me. Blizzard couldn't have made a dragon race in any shape that wouldn't be corrupted by furry websites. In my opinion the current Dracthyr look okay, I'd prefer some bulkier options and thicker neck for example to look more dragon-like. The head is a bit undersized imo.

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    If you honestly think that having them be more muscular would make them less of a furry race, you don't know what a furry is.



  3. #57063
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Starting off with a non-gendered version and reverting back to classic middle-aged "girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.
    There's nothing middle-aged about "girl and boy forms", it's basic biology how males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society. But we're talking about a fictional race, so it barely matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Starting off with a non-gendered version and reverting back to classic middle-aged "girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.
    Well the interview suggests THREE torso forms. So if we are lucky we may get a feminine, masculine and non-gendered (non-binary? can it apply to Dracthyr? Do they lack dimorphism or do they actually lack sex with the visage form being an illusion? Can they procreate? Maybe they are even hermaphrodites or some form of intersex creature) form.

  5. #57065
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Starting off with a non-gendered version and reverting back to classic middle-aged "girl and boy forms" would be like reverting back to burning witches on the stake.
    Holy cow, this post cannot be real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    There's nothing middle-aged about "girl and boy forms", it's basic biology how males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society. But we're talking about a fictional race, so it barely matters.
    We are talking about a fictional race whose parent race exhibits no sexual dimorphism. So there is an argument for their form not to be gendered. At the same time we are talking about a race whose alternate form is a very sexualized form so it makes sense for their draconic form to also be gendered. Both sides have arguments by lore tbh.
    Given we are getting three torso shapes, it is very much possible for everyone to get what they want (except ofc for the people whose main focus is for others to not get what they want but fuck those people).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulggun View Post
    Holy cow, this post cannot be real.
    Sure, because you guys seem to be offended by the idea alone that there is a race that's the same for male and females in their natural form. And instead of accepting progression you want to revert to your classic view of how males and females have to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    There's nothing middle-aged about "girl and boy forms", it's basic biology how males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society. But we're talking about a fictional race, so it barely matters.
    Show me a WoW drake that has sexual dimorphism.

  8. #57068
    People here seething at the thought of a non-binary race are the same people who were calling Blizz developers "snowflakes" because they replaced images of women, just to put it into perspective.

    Crazy to see who the actual snowflakes are.

  9. #57069
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People here seething at the thought of a non-binary race are the same people who were calling Blizz developers "snowflakes" because they replaced images of women, just to put it into perspective.
    Removing images of women from the game to protect women surely worked out for them in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post

    Show me a WoW drake that has sexual dimorphism.
    All Dragonspawn. The females have slim waists and sizeable breasts.

    again does not mean there is anything wrong with Dracthyr being non-gendered. As long as they are presented as such in the lore. At the same time their visage form makes any claim that Blizzard is trying to present positive body shape examples for non-binary people farsical when they'll be forced into swimmers' builts with perfect 8 packs or thicc thighs and large breasts the moment they want to mount up.

  11. #57071
    I know everyone is bored but this is such a stupid topic. Blizzard has made every race before Dracthyr have human sexual characteristics so it wouldn't be surprising if the "dragon people" race worked the same, while at the same time the actual dragon forms of characters like Alexstrasza have basically no sexual dimorphism, they chose to go with the latter because, like Teriz explained, Dracthyr are the closest thing to playable dragons that we will get to.

  12. #57072
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Sure, because you guys seem to be offended by the idea alone that there is a race that's the same for male and females in their natural form. And instead of accepting progression you want to revert to your classic view of how males and females have to be.

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    Show me a WoW drake that has sexual dimorphism.
    My last sentence basically answers your question. Your statement regarding "girl and boy forms" was just - on the most basic level - scientifically false (not in terms of a fictional race or game though, but in general).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    We are talking about a fictional race whose parent race exhibits no sexual dimorphism. So there is an argument for their form not to be gendered. At the same time we are talking about a race whose alternate form is a very sexualized form so it makes sense for their draconic form to also be gendered. Both sides have arguments by lore tbh.
    Given we are getting three torso shapes, it is very much possible for everyone to get what they want (except ofc for the people whose main focus is for others to not get what they want but fuck those people).
    I said we're talking about a fictional race so it barely matters, which I mean so. The problem is the other part of the argument, e.g that this is "representation" when it's basically the exact opposite of representation. I really don't care much about "girl" or "boy" forms, but the underlying argument is... silly. And doesn't belong on this forum anyway, but here we are.
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  13. #57073
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    doesn't belong on this forum anyway, but here we are.
    Ever since 2021 this forum has sort of been broken by the drama coming off of Blizz, I wish we could go back before when these threads had basically none of that.

  14. #57074
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Sure, because you guys seem to be offended by the idea alone that there is a race that's the same for male and females in their natural form. And instead of accepting progression you want to revert to your classic view of how males and females have to be.

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    Show me a WoW drake that has sexual dimorphism.
    Yeah lmao. I'd love for them to look at most lizards in real life and distinguish how "males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society"
    I'm all for there having multiple options though. Slender for both genders, muscular for both, the more the merrier.
    But the mental gymnastics some go through to shove their anti trans sentiments in everything is hilarious. "Every animal/creature race should have drastic sexual dimorphism, big buff males, slender females with big breasts, that's what's natural". ??? Pandas, lizards, dogs/wolves, etc, don't have that kind of sexual dimorphism. If you want it that's fine but don't use the "natural" argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugnomo View Post
    Yeah lmao. I'd love for them to look at most lizards in real life and distinguish how "males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society"
    I'm all for there having multiple options though. Slender for both genders, muscular for both, the more the merrier.
    But the mental gymnastics some go through to shove their anti trans sentiments in everything is hilarious. "Every animal/creature race should have drastic sexual dimorphism, big buff males, slender females with big breasts, that's what's natural". ??? Pandas, lizards, dogs/wolves, etc, don't have that kind of sexual dimorphism. If you want it that's fine but don't use the "natural" argument.
    I actually think the current implementation is more likely to cause dysphoria though. YOu can have a non-traditionally gendered body, as long as you stay in your reptile form. The moment you mount up, you are going to pop breasts and get child-bearing thighs though. Which is kind of the worst feeling transmasculine individuals (the community highest in suicides) have to face daily through their teenage years and adulthood. I don't know if this is meant to be representation but if it is, it's doing a crappy job at it

    If the intent was to show a non-gendered form, it should have followed in the visage forms.

  16. #57076
    The intent was to be able to play a dragon like Alexstrasza, but they were too big, so they made Dracthyr. It's not that complicated.



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  17. #57077
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I actually think the current implementation is more likely to cause dysphoria though. YOu can have a non-traditionally gendered body, as long as you stay in your reptile form. The moment you mount up, you are going to pop breasts and get child-bearing thighs though. Which is kind of the worst feeling transmasculine individuals (the community highest in suicides) have to face daily through their teenage years and adulthood. I don't know if this is meant to be representation but if it is, it's doing a crappy job at it

    If the intent was to show a non-gendered form, it should have followed in the visage forms.
    I don't think it's meant to be representation. The mere fact that they opted for a gender neutral body for drakes appears to have conjured this idea into people who are against it, as some reason to hate it. I don't think Blizzard ever saw it that way, but that's my guess.
    It's a race based on dragons/lizards, who have little to no sexual dimorphism in most representations, plus it's less work model wise to just create one, which they can then allocate into more customization or whatever else.
    And if this is an actual concern and not just concern trolling, how is shitting on a gender neutral drake body and demanding strictly binary characteristics supposed to help? Instead of one forced binary option we'd get 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gifdwarf View Post
    The intent was to be able to play a dragon like Alexstrasza, but they were too big, so they made Dracthyr. It's not that complicated.
    I am talking about the suggestion that this was meant to be a playable non-gendered form.

  19. #57079
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I am talking about the suggestion that this was meant to be a playable non-gendered form.
    Blizzard hasn't said anything about that, the race looks the way it does because it's trying to emulate Alexstrasza/regular dragons. Dracthyr are basically shrunken down dragons that stand upright. This is also why they have genders in visage form, like the aspects and other dragons have.

  20. #57080
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugnomo View Post
    Yeah lmao. I'd love for them to look at most lizards in real life and distinguish how "males and females look unaltered or unchanged by the influence of society"
    I'm all for there having multiple options though. Slender for both genders, muscular for both, the more the merrier.
    But the mental gymnastics some go through to shove their anti trans sentiments in everything is hilarious. "Every animal/creature race should have drastic sexual dimorphism, big buff males, slender females with big breasts, that's what's natural". ??? Pandas, lizards, dogs/wolves, etc, don't have that kind of sexual dimorphism. If you want it that's fine but don't use the "natural" argument.
    They do, it's just not as visible in some cases, in some cases it's not visible at all. Most animals that have male and female versions do have differences and they are recognizable if you're not a layman. As I said, it's the most basic concept of biology and has nothing to do with an "anti trans sentiment" or whatever. But again, in case of the Dracthyr this barely matters because it's a fictional race. Although the concept falls flat when your "human" form is the most basic male or female yet again.
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