Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Not really, its pretty obvious the covanents will become aware of Sylvanas sending all the Maw damned souls back to Oribos to be judged, we just don't see it.

[wowrefugee]

Darkfallen as an AR would be extremely limited in scope is the thing. The current fantasy behind it really only supports hunters and rogues, with Warriors just about being acceptable within canon based on what we have seen, and an AR with only three classes would be dumb.

A Darkfallen customization option is far better. All you really lose out on is a dedicated Heritage set, but if you get a Dark Ranger transmog set then that is basically the same thing as far as playing as one of Sylvanas' followers goes.

I dunno, I feel like thematically and lore wise void elves arent too different from Darkfallen in this context.. They could just access to the same classes.

[Ersula]

Darkfallen as an AR would be extremely limited in scope is the thing. The current fantasy behind it really only supports hunters and rogues, with Warriors just about being acceptable within canon based on what we have seen, and an AR with only three classes would be dumb.

A Darkfallen customization option is far better. All you really lose out on is a dedicated Heritage set, but if you get a Dark Ranger transmog set then that is basically the same thing as far as playing as one of Sylvanas' followers goes.

But it wouldn't just be Dark Rangers: That was the point of establishing the Sanlayn & Dark Rangers are the same race. And we already know they wanted to join the horde. We saw Sanlayn warriors & casters in Northrend so that pretty much covers all the general elf/forsaken classes.

[Blayze]

I dunno, I feel like thematically and lore wise void elves arent too different from Darkfallen in this context.. They could just access to the same classes.

It makes sense if you consider Void Elves as the worgen Allied Race analogue instead of the Night Elf one, given they've got thematic connections (Altered forever by a corruptive cosmic force that they've decided to try and control) with each other. That leaves the Darkfallen on each faction as the Night Elf and Forsaken Allied Races.

[shoc]

I imagine these would be the skins that would become available to Night Elf and Blood Elf Hunters, considering the Dark Ranger quest is both Alliance and Horde.

These skins are already in the game, so I imagine it's just a matter of enabling them and making some token quest for players to get them.



No chance it's Darkfallen as a whole ass Allied Race though lol. It's another Night Warrior type customization unlock if anything.

[Schwert]

But it wouldn't just be Dark Rangers: That was the point of establishing the Sanlayn & Dark Rangers are the same race. And we already know they wanted to join the horde. We saw Sanlayn warriors & casters in Northrend so that pretty much covers all the general elf/forsaken classes.

You mean how they tried to join the Horde, then turned on them the moment things didn't go their way brutally, betraying the Forsaken and admitting to feeding on them?
That's... not really the best point to be making.

If we're gonna be talking about the in-game scenarios, we going to discuss how Vorath was using Void in his new encounter?

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I imagine these would be the skins that would become available to Night Elf and Blood Elf Hunters, considering the Dark Ranger quest is both Alliance and Horde.

These skins are already in the game, so I imagine it's just a matter of enabling them and making some token quest for players to get them.



No chance it's Darkfallen as a whole ass Allied Race though lol. It's another Night Warrior type customization unlock if anything.

This is what it's looking like more and more, especially with the set that was datamined.

Sucks for Night Elves though; they never really asked for that. The red eyes at least allows them to potentially play a Nightmare druid though, if it's not class restricted? Been wanting that for years now.

Also, does anybody know if the set is race restricted? I have a void elf hunter that needs more black mog.

[shoc]

You mean how they tried to join the Horde, then turned on them the moment things didn't go their way brutally, betraying the Forsaken and admitting to feeding on them?
That's... not really the best point to be making.

If we're gonna be talking about the in-game scenarios, we going to discuss how Vorath was using Void in his new encounter?

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This is what it's looking like more and more, especially with the set that was datamined.

Sucks for Night Elves though; they never really asked for that. The red eyes at least allows them to potentially play a Nightmare druid though, if it's not class restricted? Been wanting that for years now.

Also, does anybody know if the set is race restricted? I have a void elf hunter that needs more black mog.

It will probably be Hunter only customization.

[huth]

Satyr in WoW are Demons and don't quite fit the woodland protector trope that is traditionally associated with Fauns. I suppose we could have gotten uncorrupted Satyr but they'd just be mutated Night Elves in the end.

Not even mutated. Satyr are just corrupted Night Elves.

[Makabreska]

It's not a minor plot hole, it's a pretty glaring issue.

What glaring issue? How does it affect WoW and story? What changes if she gets no help?

[Nymrohd]

What glaring issue? How does it affect WoW and story? What changes if she gets no help?

The problem is not how it affects the story but rather how it affects world building and immersion. It makes no sense for the Covenants not to go down the Maw en masse and start salvaging souls, especially given they ALREADY are doing that. I remember at least the Venthyr and Necrolords had quests during their assaults in which they identified suitable souls and brought them out of the Maw. So they all will suddenly stop? There is a treasure trove of anima down there and they all need it after all.

Things can matter without affecting the plot. This is a fantasy world and building that world requires internal consistency that establishes verisimilititude and allows immersion.

[Makabreska]

The problem is not how it affects the story but rather how it affects world building and immersion. It makes no sense for the Covenants not to go down the Maw en masse and start salvaging souls, especially given they ALREADY are doing that. I remember at least the Venthyr and Necrolords had quests during their assaults in which they identified suitable souls and brought them out of the Maw. So they all will suddenly stop? There is a treasure trove of anima down there and they all need it after all.

Things can matter without affecting the plot. This is a fantasy world and building that world requires internal consistency that establishes verisimilititude and allows immersion.

This is really a non issue, considering we leave SL behind. Probably for good.

[Nymrohd]

This is really a non issue, considering we leave SL behind. Probably for good.

It can be a non-issue for you. It doesn't mean it's not an issue for the world itself. Just because it's out of sight doesn't mean it disappears.

[Jekyll]

I'm not even angry, but nice try, but I still can't see this happening as previous posters have pointed out these covenant races would NEED to be neutral.

So other people shouldn't get to play races they want because you don't like them? Yikes.

[Nymrohd]

So other people shouldn't get to play races they want because you don't like them? Yikes.

People might want to play all kinds of things that would not work well for the game tbh. What people want is not exactly an argument. You do need to make an effort to have them make sense. Handwaving them in just because people like them is not enough.

[Lorca]

Pivoting from the Darkfallen discussion... does anyone now how cross-faction works exactly? And to be more precise: can we group up with other faction players and level together through dungeons-spamming? I understand that yes, but that the group needs to be a complete premade group of people, right? But then maybe you don't get the random dungeon additional experience? I tried to check it on the PTR but never found enough people to try this.

[Lahis]

Pivoting from the Darkfallen discussion... does anyone now how cross-faction works exactly? And to be more precise: can we group up with other faction players and level together through dungeons-spamming? I understand that yes, but that the group needs to be a complete premade group of people, right? But then maybe you don't get the random dungeon additional experience? I tried to check it on the PTR but never found enough people to try this.

You can't use matchmaker in cross faction groups, so no random dungeon finder, LFR or PvP matchmaking.

[Alanar]

I imagine these would be the skins that would become available to Night Elf and Blood Elf Hunters, considering the Dark Ranger quest is both Alliance and Horde.

These skins are already in the game, so I imagine it's just a matter of enabling them and making some token quest for players to get them.



No chance it's Darkfallen as a whole ass Allied Race though lol. It's another Night Warrior type customization unlock if anything.

Yea, I think many are thinking this, me included. It just feels like a night warrior 8.1 thing tbh.

Sure a Darkfallen race that represents both the san'layn (bat ears, striped hair, necrotic skin etc) and dark rangers would be great, but i don't think this will happen. In other words, the vampire stuff will not be included and it will be a mere eye color/skin combination. I also dont think you will be able to use red eyes with normal skin etc. Hell it could end up being a mere transmog options (dr recolor armor from wod) it would be wise to hold your horses on this one seeing as the ar intro music theory was also proven something else, same counts for the slimesaber and the splash screens ( no way there is an allied race icon in there) encrypted or not, I would be genuinely surprised if that happends.

But also nothing can happen, which will be another one of those leaks which got hyped to much. This one will go in the books as a pretty big one as many social media people hopped on the train and hyping everyone up.

[Lorca]

You can't use matchmaker in cross faction groups, do no random dungeon finder, LFR or PvP matchmaking.

I still don't really see the point in not being able to do the random matchmaking with cross-faction enabled... but well, as I guessed I understand that I could level with other faction players but having to choose a concrete dungeon and thus loosing the additional experience of the random matchmaking. Thanks!

[Nymrohd]

I still don't really see the point in not being able to do the random matchmaking with cross-faction enabled... but well, as I guessed I understand that I could level with other faction players but having to choose a concrete dungeon and thus loosing the additional experience of the random matchmaking. Thanks!

The idea is to make any cross faction play VOLUNTARY. So you always choose to join a group that is cross faction and are never forced to play so otherwise.

[Lorca]

The idea is to make any cross faction play VOLUNTARY. So you always choose to join a group that is cross faction and are never forced to play so otherwise.

I get that, but if you were playing Horde and I was playing Alliance and then we both enabled the cross-faction option, why shouldn't we be able to play together in random matchmaking along with other players who do the same?