Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

I get that, but if you were playing Horde and I was playing Alliance and then we both enabled the cross-faction option, why shouldn't we be able to play together in random matchmaking along with other players who do the same?

I guess it would complicate the process of matchmaking groups. Damage dealers already wait long enough, to distinguish them into crossplay vs. non-crossplay groups might make it even worse, especially for Alliance players when there are less players in general.

[Nymrohd]

I get that, but if you were playing Horde and I was playing Alliance and then we both enabled the cross-faction option, why shouldn't we be able to play together in random matchmaking along with other players who do the same?

That would require them to make separate multiple matchmaking queues which would fragment the playerbase more, not less. And thus increase queue times.

[Raetary]

What glaring issue? How does it affect WoW and story?

It affects wows worldbuilding.
Just because it won't affect the next major narrative Blizzard is gonna spin and you personally don't care for it, doesn't mean that this isn't a glaring issue.

What changes if she gets no help?

You have mega hell (Maw) filled with god knows how many souls, you have the covenants who all are with Pelagos that all souls should have a chance at redemption (and most definitely want their anima too), who are perfectly capable of going into the Maw themselves and retrieve those souls.

Yet they solely rely on one elf lady to do the task for them.
One elf lady.
For thousands upon thousands of souls.
In a giant, twisted, torture chamber of a realm.

Arbitrarily prolonging the torture and agony of every soul in there, for the sake of punishing a singular person.
It's absolutely fucking nuts.

[Edoll]

It’s possible with the Jailer dead all his minions and Mawsworn are gone too so there’s nothing left in the Maw to torture people. They might just sit there completely bored, maybe they start golf clubs.

[Skildar]

The way I'm seeing this is that she's not necessarily alone in this task. Though where covenants can send different people to help restore the balance and rest between rescues, Sylvanas doesn't have that luxury. She must participate in this effort until all the lost souls are found and send to the arbiter

[wowrefugee]

Quick question.

I know for 9.2, servers were offline for like, 6-8 hours.

Do .5 patches usually have that long of maintenance too?

[Soikona]

I think the video would have worked better if they had done the patch reveal via a Q&A first, with the video as in-depth look afterwards.

It would have worked better if it wasn’t a cringe info dump of “Look we are all just sitting around the desk pretending to be having a convo” that shit ended in the 90’s, and it should have stayed there.

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It’s possible with the Jailer dead all his minions and Mawsworn are gone too so there’s nothing left in the Maw to torture people. They might just sit there completely bored, maybe they start golf clubs.

That does sound worse…

[Nymrohd]

Arbitrarily prolonging the torture and agony of every soul in there, for the sake of punishing a singular person.
It's absolutely fucking nuts.

It's also narcissism. Our Sylvanas is so important, all the souls in the universe need to suffer that much longer so her "punishment" can have more depth.

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It would have worked better if it wasn’t a cringe info dump of “Look we are all just sitting around the desk pretending to be having a convo” that shit ended in the 90’s, and it should have stayed there.

But what other format would allow them to show enough staff so they can go "Look how diverse we are!" Nevermind that we KNOW the male/female ratio in the company is not at all similar to what was shown in the reveal.

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It’s possible with the Jailer dead all his minions and Mawsworn are gone too so there’s nothing left in the Maw to torture people. They might just sit there completely bored, maybe they start golf clubs.

I think the Maw existed BEFORE Zovaal. So the torture thing is a natural function, Zovaal just used Domination to take control of what naturally happened there.

[Kiria]

So other people shouldn't get to play races they want because you don't like them? Yikes.

Did I say I didnt like them? wow talk about reading my mind, read what I wrote they'd NEED to be neutral, have all animations, voice lines and the ability to equip all armours... and it's alot of work for the few that want them as I don't see any real outcries for Covenant races to be allied races anywhere but here.

[Khaza-R]

It would be cool if these new quests offered new customization achievements like the Night Warrior one in BfA. I always wished they did more of that. Even if we got very minor stuff in the future like tattoos and markings this way.

Darkfallen -> Blood Elves

Maw-touched or Night Fae -> Night Elves (assuming they're able to be reborn)

Not sure if Undead would get anything or even what it would be. But any excuse for straight posture is always welcome

[Alanar]

I was going to say "Wouldn't they want to start the pre-order before the patch hits? So the patch going live doesn't detract from the attention of the pre-order?" but then I realized, putting up the Pre-order as soon as the servers are down for maintenance would be a stroke of brilliance. Like "Look what you get as soon as the servers come up!"


More or less. Val'kyr literally means Kyrian of Valor, associated with Odyn's Halls of Valor. Valor-Kyrian. Kyrian is just them taking the "kyr" part & adding the suffix that makes it a group of people.

I am actually talking wrath Val'kyr to be precise, we had those before the rest got added to the game. Ofc in the story we are told odyn got the idea of the Kyrian and made it is own. The lich king had their own version which is were it started for us.

So technically they are the OG ones.

[Zulggun]

Did I say I didnt like them? wow talk about reading my mind, read what I wrote they'd NEED to be neutral, have all animations, voice lines and the ability to equip all armours... and it's alot of work for the few that want them as I don't see any real outcries for Covenant races to be allied races anywhere but here.

Yes, yes! Better focus on raids, raids and maybe more raids?? M+ raids, raid affixes and stuff, more raids! Haha, that would cost us raid tier lol!

[Lahis]

Not sure if Undead would get anything or even what it would be. But any excuse for straight posture is always welcome

Epic 50 part questline to hunt down The Legendary Chiropractor to yank Forsaken spines straight.

[Kiria]

Yes, yes! Better focus on raids, raids and maybe more raids?? M+ raids, raid affixes and stuff, more raids! Haha, that would cost us raid tier lol!

Not just raids, they need to focus on making the game fully accessable for all players from all walks of life before catering to the minority, more and better quests (some have been a complete blast in the past), more focus on their story (if they want to focus on the narrative they need to put more effort in) and more interesting way s to keep people playing other than world quests and grinding for gear.

[Eurhetemec]

The way I'm seeing this is that she's not necessarily alone in this task. Though where covenants can send different people to help restore the balance and rest between rescues, Sylvanas doesn't have that luxury. She must participate in this effort until all the lost souls are found and send to the arbiter

Yeah I'm pretty sure @Arafal and @Nymrohd are not understanding the situation correctly here at all, and indeed, creatively interpreting it in the most negative and irrational possible way.

Sylvanas is locked in mega-hell and to work in mega-hell 24-7. That doesn't mean other people can't be visiting mega-hell and helping clean up mega-hell. It just means they're not locked in there 24-7.

It's like, if I was condemned to work in Walmart all day, for the rest of my life, it wouldn't mean Walmart didn't have any other employees.

[plz delete account]

Handwaving them in just because people like them is not enough.

please explain to me why Night Elves are Alliance instead of their own faction again? oh, that's right, they were handwaved into the Alliance because Alliance needed somebody in Kalimdor according to the devs

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Epic 50 part questline to hunt down The Legendary Chiropractor to yank Forsaken spines straight.

you made me laugh there

[Nymrohd]

please explain to me why Night Elves are Alliance instead of their own faction again? oh, that's right, they were handwaved into the Alliance because Alliance needed somebody in Kalimdor according to the devs

Hey WoW would have had 4-5 factions if I had made it. It'd probably flop though.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

please explain to me why Night Elves are Alliance instead of their own faction again? oh, that's right, they were handwaved into the Alliance because Alliance needed somebody in Kalimdor according to the devs

They were friends, its not a bad thing. Calm thy tits. I'd rather have Nelves on Alliance then not at all.

[Schwert]

Did I say I didnt like them? wow talk about reading my mind, read what I wrote they'd NEED to be neutral, have all animations, voice lines and the ability to equip all armours... and it's alot of work for the few that want them as I don't see any real outcries for Covenant races to be allied races anywhere but here.

Venthyr are an extremely popular request on the forums, when not getting drowned out by heckling from people crying they're not San'layn, and are popular on art websites, twitter, ect.

While it's mainly focused on Venthyr due to the popularity of vampires, they are absolutely a popular request.
The other 3 not so much, but all 4 covenants don't really need to become playable. Kyrian and Venthyr, or Venthyr and the fauns would actually be plenty.

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Yea, I think many are thinking this, me included. It just feels like a night warrior 8.1 thing tbh.

Sure a Darkfallen race that represents both the san'layn (bat ears, striped hair, necrotic skin etc) and dark rangers would be great, but i don't think this will happen. In other words, the vampire stuff will not be included and it will be a mere eye color/skin combination. I also dont think you will be able to use red eyes with normal skin etc. Hell it could end up being a mere transmog options (dr recolor armor from wod) it would be wise to hold your horses on this one seeing as the ar intro music theory was also proven something else, same counts for the slimesaber and the splash screens ( no way there is an allied race icon in there) encrypted or not, I would be genuinely surprised if that happends.

But also nothing can happen, which will be another one of those leaks which got hyped to much. This one will go in the books as a pretty big one as many social media people hopped on the train and hyping everyone up.

The "vampire" thing is a wholly fanon concept; the "bat ears" are already pretty much doable with the short elf ears in general.
I've already recreated the wanted aesthetic on a void elf multiple times over, especially using stuff like the mage ICC set. All that's missing for belfs is the undead skins, and red eyes for velfs and belfs and they both have the look.

People are asking for them to make something wholly new to appease aesthetic requests that already pretty much there.
Why it makes no sense as a race, especially when every race can be a vampire through Blood DKs.

[Kiria]

Venthyr are an extremely popular request on the forums, when not getting drowned out by heckling from people crying they're not San'layn, and are popular on art websites, twitter, ect.

While it's mainly focused on Venthyr due to the popularity of vampires, they are absolutely a popular request.
The other 3 not so much, but all 4 covenants don't really need to become playable. Kyrian and Venthyr, or Venthyr and the fauns would actually be plenty.

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The "vampire" thing is a wholly fanon concept; the "bat ears" are already pretty much doable with the short elf ears in general.
I've already recreated the wanted aesthetic on a void elf multiple times over, especially using stuff like the mage ICC set. All that's missing for belfs is the undead skins, and red eyes for velfs and belfs and they both have the look.

People are asking for them to make something wholly new to appease aesthetic requests that already pretty much there.
Why it makes no sense as a race, especially when every race can be a vampire through Blood DKs.

Strange because I just scrolled down 8 days on the forums and found requests for Blood elf customisations/dark rangers/high elves and void elves... Not a damned thing about covenant races, and no I aint scrolling further because after a week of inactivity on a thread the desire is essentially not there.