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    Nah, I think they are just keeping Anduin "occupied" until the Light V Void conflict gets interesting again. Which is what I'm afraid of(Not the theme mostly how its executed >.>). There's a reason Turalyon is on the throne and not just cause he's trusted within the Alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Nah, I think they are just keeping Anduin "occupied" until the Light V Void conflict gets interesting again. Which is what I'm afraid of(Not the theme mostly how its executed >.>). There's a reason Turalyon is on the throne and not just cause he's trusted within the Alliance.
    Well, we haven't seen what an expansion made only by NewBlizzard looks so I wouldn't be worried too much (yet). Dragonflight will show what Danuser and co can do without the touch of Afrasiabi on it. But yeah, a Light vs Void expansion on the level of BfA would suck as much as GoT's last season (did they ever fully aired it? I can't really remember it all that much for some weird reason ...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    I can see them using the "time works differently in the maw" rule to age Anduin up so once we get him, Sylvanas and Nathanos back he will just look like in that one comic. Basically the same thing they did with Turalyon.

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    Cool, so it would make sense to have a dark ranger set work exactly the same way?
    Sure, but what I found doesn't really point to that. It's got unique properties that are puzzling.

    Here's some tweets about it:

    https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...31651799035904
    https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...71218317381634

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Nah, I think they are just keeping Anduin "occupied" until the Light V Void conflict gets interesting again. Which is what I'm afraid of(Not the theme mostly how its executed >.>). There's a reason Turalyon is on the throne and not just cause he's trusted within the Alliance.
    Maybe they're going to end up keeping one character associated with each cosmic force "on ice" until the seventh force shows up and is inevitably super-ultra-evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wowrefugee View Post
    Nothing of note.

    This is everything I've found since I started:
    Doesn't one mount being a horse, and the other being a cat just basically confirm Dark Rangers? Its exactly what the elves would use for horde and alliance respectively. So the quest(s) probably reward an undead horse and nightsaber.

    So they're giving out an armor set, customization, mounts and maybe a title/eye glows to larp as a dead elf, but aren't making it an AR... I find that odd, but maybe its because of pushback on the "skin color" ARs?

    Could you also post the "interesting elf logo"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Doesn't one mount being a horse, and the other being a cat just basically confirm Dark Rangers? Its exactly what the elves would use for horde and alliance respectively.

    So they're giving out an armor set, customization, mounts and maybe a title/eye glows to larp as a dead elf, but aren't making it an AR... I find that odd, but maybe its because of pushback on the "skin color" ARs?
    Well, they also didn't make Wildhammer Dwarves or Sand Trolls an Allied Race afterall. I would be totally fine with customization options anyways, especially as I would like to use blue eyes like Sylvanas now instead of the red ones if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Doesn't one mount being a horse, and the other being a cat just basically confirm Dark Rangers? Its exactly what the elves would use for horde and alliance respectively.

    So they're giving out an armor set, customization, mounts and maybe eye glows to larp as a dead elf, but aren't making it an AR... I find that odd, but maybe its because of pushback on the "skin color" ARs?
    Not necessarily. That is my hopium, though.

    The claw footprints are used for a lot of mounts of all species. Not just cats or cat-adjacent things.

    The horse prints do seem to only be used for horses, though I didn't dig too deep to confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Could you also post the "interesting elf logo"





    I'm pretty sure these are from the encrypted armor set. These were unencrypted, are tagged as "Armupper" (so only part of a set), but among the same file id range as the encrypted armor files.

    We had a user point out it's quite similar to the blood elf and void elf logos, but doesnt quite match either of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowrefugee View Post
    Not necessarily. That is my hopium, though.

    The claw footprints are used for a lot of mounts of all species. Not just cats or cat-adjacent things.

    The horse prints do seem to only be used for horses, though I didn't dig too deep to confirm.

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    I'm pretty sure these are from the encrypted armor set. These were unencrypted, are tagged as "Armupper" (so only part of a set), but among the same file id range as the encrypted armor files.

    We had a user point out it's quite similar to the blood elf and void elf logos, but doesnt quite match either of them.
    I guess the horse would be another HD undead one? About time tbh. And the wrist looks like from an Alextrasza cosplay, so that's what I'm currently hoping for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Doesn't one mount being a horse, and the other being a cat just basically confirm Dark Rangers? Its exactly what the elves would use for horde and alliance respectively. So the quest(s) probably reward an undead horse and nightsaber.

    So they're giving out an armor set, customization, mounts and maybe a title/eye glows to larp as a dead elf, but aren't making it an AR... I find that odd, but maybe its because of pushback on the "skin color" ARs?

    Could you also post the "interesting elf logo"
    Darkfallen as an AR would be extremely limited in scope is the thing. The current fantasy behind it really only supports hunters and rogues, with Warriors just about being acceptable within canon based on what we have seen, and an AR with only three classes would be dumb.

    A Darkfallen customization option is far better. All you really lose out on is a dedicated Heritage set, but if you get a Dark Ranger transmog set then that is basically the same thing as far as playing as one of Sylvanas' followers goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    This is one of the minor plot holes that just happens. If she had help, the punishment would be shorter. and would lessen it's gravity. Plus she is hardcore disliked among all Covs.
    It's not a minor plot hole, it's a pretty glaring issue.



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    Not really, its pretty obvious the covanents will become aware of Sylvanas sending all the Maw damned souls back to Oribos to be judged, we just don't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Darkfallen as an AR would be extremely limited in scope is the thing. The current fantasy behind it really only supports hunters and rogues, with Warriors just about being acceptable within canon based on what we have seen, and an AR with only three classes would be dumb.

    A Darkfallen customization option is far better. All you really lose out on is a dedicated Heritage set, but if you get a Dark Ranger transmog set then that is basically the same thing as far as playing as one of Sylvanas' followers goes.

    I dunno, I feel like thematically and lore wise void elves arent too different from Darkfallen in this context.. They could just access to the same classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Darkfallen as an AR would be extremely limited in scope is the thing. The current fantasy behind it really only supports hunters and rogues, with Warriors just about being acceptable within canon based on what we have seen, and an AR with only three classes would be dumb.

    A Darkfallen customization option is far better. All you really lose out on is a dedicated Heritage set, but if you get a Dark Ranger transmog set then that is basically the same thing as far as playing as one of Sylvanas' followers goes.
    But it wouldn't just be Dark Rangers: That was the point of establishing the Sanlayn & Dark Rangers are the same race. And we already know they wanted to join the horde. We saw Sanlayn warriors & casters in Northrend so that pretty much covers all the general elf/forsaken classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowrefugee View Post
    I dunno, I feel like thematically and lore wise void elves arent too different from Darkfallen in this context.. They could just access to the same classes.
    It makes sense if you consider Void Elves as the worgen Allied Race analogue instead of the Night Elf one, given they've got thematic connections (Altered forever by a corruptive cosmic force that they've decided to try and control) with each other. That leaves the Darkfallen on each faction as the Night Elf and Forsaken Allied Races.
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    I imagine these would be the skins that would become available to Night Elf and Blood Elf Hunters, considering the Dark Ranger quest is both Alliance and Horde.

    These skins are already in the game, so I imagine it's just a matter of enabling them and making some token quest for players to get them.



    No chance it's Darkfallen as a whole ass Allied Race though lol. It's another Night Warrior type customization unlock if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    But it wouldn't just be Dark Rangers: That was the point of establishing the Sanlayn & Dark Rangers are the same race. And we already know they wanted to join the horde. We saw Sanlayn warriors & casters in Northrend so that pretty much covers all the general elf/forsaken classes.
    You mean how they tried to join the Horde, then turned on them the moment things didn't go their way brutally, betraying the Forsaken and admitting to feeding on them?
    That's... not really the best point to be making.

    If we're gonna be talking about the in-game scenarios, we going to discuss how Vorath was using Void in his new encounter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    I imagine these would be the skins that would become available to Night Elf and Blood Elf Hunters, considering the Dark Ranger quest is both Alliance and Horde.

    These skins are already in the game, so I imagine it's just a matter of enabling them and making some token quest for players to get them.



    No chance it's Darkfallen as a whole ass Allied Race though lol. It's another Night Warrior type customization unlock if anything.
    This is what it's looking like more and more, especially with the set that was datamined.

    Sucks for Night Elves though; they never really asked for that. The red eyes at least allows them to potentially play a Nightmare druid though, if it's not class restricted? Been wanting that for years now.

    Also, does anybody know if the set is race restricted? I have a void elf hunter that needs more black mog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schwert View Post
    You mean how they tried to join the Horde, then turned on them the moment things didn't go their way brutally, betraying the Forsaken and admitting to feeding on them?
    That's... not really the best point to be making.

    If we're gonna be talking about the in-game scenarios, we going to discuss how Vorath was using Void in his new encounter?

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    This is what it's looking like more and more, especially with the set that was datamined.

    Sucks for Night Elves though; they never really asked for that. The red eyes at least allows them to potentially play a Nightmare druid though, if it's not class restricted? Been wanting that for years now.

    Also, does anybody know if the set is race restricted? I have a void elf hunter that needs more black mog.
    It will probably be Hunter only customization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    Satyr in WoW are Demons and don't quite fit the woodland protector trope that is traditionally associated with Fauns. I suppose we could have gotten uncorrupted Satyr but they'd just be mutated Night Elves in the end.
    Not even mutated. Satyr are just corrupted Night Elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    It's not a minor plot hole, it's a pretty glaring issue.
    What glaring issue? How does it affect WoW and story? What changes if she gets no help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    What glaring issue? How does it affect WoW and story? What changes if she gets no help?
    The problem is not how it affects the story but rather how it affects world building and immersion. It makes no sense for the Covenants not to go down the Maw en masse and start salvaging souls, especially given they ALREADY are doing that. I remember at least the Venthyr and Necrolords had quests during their assaults in which they identified suitable souls and brought them out of the Maw. So they all will suddenly stop? There is a treasure trove of anima down there and they all need it after all.

    Things can matter without affecting the plot. This is a fantasy world and building that world requires internal consistency that establishes verisimilititude and allows immersion.

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