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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The problem is not how it affects the story but rather how it affects world building and immersion. It makes no sense for the Covenants not to go down the Maw en masse and start salvaging souls, especially given they ALREADY are doing that. I remember at least the Venthyr and Necrolords had quests during their assaults in which they identified suitable souls and brought them out of the Maw. So they all will suddenly stop? There is a treasure trove of anima down there and they all need it after all.

    Things can matter without affecting the plot. This is a fantasy world and building that world requires internal consistency that establishes verisimilititude and allows immersion.
    This is really a non issue, considering we leave SL behind. Probably for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    This is really a non issue, considering we leave SL behind. Probably for good.
    It can be a non-issue for you. It doesn't mean it's not an issue for the world itself. Just because it's out of sight doesn't mean it disappears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrexia View Post
    I'm not even angry, but nice try, but I still can't see this happening as previous posters have pointed out these covenant races would NEED to be neutral.
    So other people shouldn't get to play races they want because you don't like them? Yikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll View Post
    So other people shouldn't get to play races they want because you don't like them? Yikes.
    People might want to play all kinds of things that would not work well for the game tbh. What people want is not exactly an argument. You do need to make an effort to have them make sense. Handwaving them in just because people like them is not enough.

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    Pivoting from the Darkfallen discussion... does anyone now how cross-faction works exactly? And to be more precise: can we group up with other faction players and level together through dungeons-spamming? I understand that yes, but that the group needs to be a complete premade group of people, right? But then maybe you don't get the random dungeon additional experience? I tried to check it on the PTR but never found enough people to try this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorca View Post
    Pivoting from the Darkfallen discussion... does anyone now how cross-faction works exactly? And to be more precise: can we group up with other faction players and level together through dungeons-spamming? I understand that yes, but that the group needs to be a complete premade group of people, right? But then maybe you don't get the random dungeon additional experience? I tried to check it on the PTR but never found enough people to try this.
    You can't use matchmaker in cross faction groups, so no random dungeon finder, LFR or PvP matchmaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by choom View Post
    I imagine these would be the skins that would become available to Night Elf and Blood Elf Hunters, considering the Dark Ranger quest is both Alliance and Horde.

    These skins are already in the game, so I imagine it's just a matter of enabling them and making some token quest for players to get them.



    No chance it's Darkfallen as a whole ass Allied Race though lol. It's another Night Warrior type customization unlock if anything.
    Yea, I think many are thinking this, me included. It just feels like a night warrior 8.1 thing tbh.

    Sure a Darkfallen race that represents both the san'layn (bat ears, striped hair, necrotic skin etc) and dark rangers would be great, but i don't think this will happen. In other words, the vampire stuff will not be included and it will be a mere eye color/skin combination. I also dont think you will be able to use red eyes with normal skin etc. Hell it could end up being a mere transmog options (dr recolor armor from wod) it would be wise to hold your horses on this one seeing as the ar intro music theory was also proven something else, same counts for the slimesaber and the splash screens ( no way there is an allied race icon in there) encrypted or not, I would be genuinely surprised if that happends.

    But also nothing can happen, which will be another one of those leaks which got hyped to much. This one will go in the books as a pretty big one as many social media people hopped on the train and hyping everyone up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    You can't use matchmaker in cross faction groups, do no random dungeon finder, LFR or PvP matchmaking.
    I still don't really see the point in not being able to do the random matchmaking with cross-faction enabled... but well, as I guessed I understand that I could level with other faction players but having to choose a concrete dungeon and thus loosing the additional experience of the random matchmaking. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorca View Post
    I still don't really see the point in not being able to do the random matchmaking with cross-faction enabled... but well, as I guessed I understand that I could level with other faction players but having to choose a concrete dungeon and thus loosing the additional experience of the random matchmaking. Thanks!
    The idea is to make any cross faction play VOLUNTARY. So you always choose to join a group that is cross faction and are never forced to play so otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The idea is to make any cross faction play VOLUNTARY. So you always choose to join a group that is cross faction and are never forced to play so otherwise.
    I get that, but if you were playing Horde and I was playing Alliance and then we both enabled the cross-faction option, why shouldn't we be able to play together in random matchmaking along with other players who do the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorca View Post
    I get that, but if you were playing Horde and I was playing Alliance and then we both enabled the cross-faction option, why shouldn't we be able to play together in random matchmaking along with other players who do the same?
    I guess it would complicate the process of matchmaking groups. Damage dealers already wait long enough, to distinguish them into crossplay vs. non-crossplay groups might make it even worse, especially for Alliance players when there are less players in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorca View Post
    I get that, but if you were playing Horde and I was playing Alliance and then we both enabled the cross-faction option, why shouldn't we be able to play together in random matchmaking along with other players who do the same?
    That would require them to make separate multiple matchmaking queues which would fragment the playerbase more, not less. And thus increase queue times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    What glaring issue? How does it affect WoW and story?
    It affects wows worldbuilding.
    Just because it won't affect the next major narrative Blizzard is gonna spin and you personally don't care for it, doesn't mean that this isn't a glaring issue.

    What changes if she gets no help?
    You have mega hell (Maw) filled with god knows how many souls, you have the covenants who all are with Pelagos that all souls should have a chance at redemption (and most definitely want their anima too), who are perfectly capable of going into the Maw themselves and retrieve those souls.

    Yet they solely rely on one elf lady to do the task for them.
    One elf lady.
    For thousands upon thousands of souls.
    In a giant, twisted, torture chamber of a realm.

    Arbitrarily prolonging the torture and agony of every soul in there, for the sake of punishing a singular person.
    It's absolutely fucking nuts.



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    It’s possible with the Jailer dead all his minions and Mawsworn are gone too so there’s nothing left in the Maw to torture people. They might just sit there completely bored, maybe they start golf clubs.

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    The way I'm seeing this is that she's not necessarily alone in this task. Though where covenants can send different people to help restore the balance and rest between rescues, Sylvanas doesn't have that luxury. She must participate in this effort until all the lost souls are found and send to the arbiter

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    Quick question.

    I know for 9.2, servers were offline for like, 6-8 hours.

    Do .5 patches usually have that long of maintenance too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    I think the video would have worked better if they had done the patch reveal via a Q&A first, with the video as in-depth look afterwards.
    It would have worked better if it wasn’t a cringe info dump of “Look we are all just sitting around the desk pretending to be having a convo” that shit ended in the 90’s, and it should have stayed there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edoll View Post
    It’s possible with the Jailer dead all his minions and Mawsworn are gone too so there’s nothing left in the Maw to torture people. They might just sit there completely bored, maybe they start golf clubs.
    That does sound worse…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Arbitrarily prolonging the torture and agony of every soul in there, for the sake of punishing a singular person.
    It's absolutely fucking nuts.
    It's also narcissism. Our Sylvanas is so important, all the souls in the universe need to suffer that much longer so her "punishment" can have more depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soikona View Post
    It would have worked better if it wasn’t a cringe info dump of “Look we are all just sitting around the desk pretending to be having a convo” that shit ended in the 90’s, and it should have stayed there.
    But what other format would allow them to show enough staff so they can go "Look how diverse we are!" Nevermind that we KNOW the male/female ratio in the company is not at all similar to what was shown in the reveal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edoll View Post
    It’s possible with the Jailer dead all his minions and Mawsworn are gone too so there’s nothing left in the Maw to torture people. They might just sit there completely bored, maybe they start golf clubs.
    I think the Maw existed BEFORE Zovaal. So the torture thing is a natural function, Zovaal just used Domination to take control of what naturally happened there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll View Post
    So other people shouldn't get to play races they want because you don't like them? Yikes.
    Did I say I didnt like them? wow talk about reading my mind, read what I wrote they'd NEED to be neutral, have all animations, voice lines and the ability to equip all armours... and it's alot of work for the few that want them as I don't see any real outcries for Covenant races to be allied races anywhere but here.

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    It would be cool if these new quests offered new customization achievements like the Night Warrior one in BfA. I always wished they did more of that. Even if we got very minor stuff in the future like tattoos and markings this way.

    Darkfallen -> Blood Elves

    Maw-touched or Night Fae -> Night Elves (assuming they're able to be reborn)

    Not sure if Undead would get anything or even what it would be. But any excuse for straight posture is always welcome

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