Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

What massive prune? You get 61 points to spend there.

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Uh, no. These first row talents are automatically taken if you pick certain spec.

You get a ghoul, just necessarily a permanent one, the talent tree seems a bit fuzzy on whether it's possible to go completely without a permanent pet.

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UH still using the wounds mechanic is the most worrying thing here for me. That spec is a dumpsterfire.

Really if it was any spec that should have swapped DPS type it should have been Unholy. That spec could easily be swapped over to a pure Necromancy spec using intellect.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

First major talents preview and... I think the system looks neat still? On its own not enough to bring me back, and sadly it sounds like my other concerns will not be being addressed.

Though I'm slightly disappointed as an old WotLK Memer that Perma-Ghoul is locked behind Unholy Spec.

And in the process of that disappointment realizing Blizz is probably still locking specs to being either 2H or Dual Wield, no option.

[Makabreska]

You get a ghoul, just necessarily a permanent one, the talent tree seems a bit fuzzy on whether it's possible to go completely without a permanent pet.

Yeeeee, we kinda need a calculator to navigate this stuff.

[Valysar]

In the end we'll all have the same talents no ?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Yeeeee, we kinda need a calculator to navigate this stuff.

IMO if a DK wants a ghoul or not really should be non forced on them. If someone wants a perma ghoul thats fine(OR a talent to fix that).

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

In the end we'll all have the same talents no ?

Depends on if either you, your guild, or your server worships the ground that world first guilds walk on.

[bruxx]

Now that it seems Dragonflight news are back on the menu, I hope we finally get that Dracthyr customization blog post next week

[Makabreska]

IMO if a DK wants a ghoul or not really should be non forced on them. If someone wants a perma ghoul thats fine(OR a talent to fix that).

Problem is when a spec (Unholy) relies on a ghoul because of it's core mechanics.

[Raetary]

I hope they fill the next week with talent posts, just like they spoiled us with class posts back in legion times.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Now that it seems Dragonflight news are back on the menu, I hope we finally get that Dracthyr customization blog post next week

I hope we don't and it's because they heard the outcry and are redesigning their customizations.

[Kiivar86]

The talent tree stuff looks interesting to me but as I don't play DK and have the barest knowledge of Druid, the examples right now don't mean much to me.

Waiting on Mage, Monk, and Warrior.

[Lady Atia]

IMO if a DK wants a ghoul or not really should be non forced on them. If someone wants a perma ghoul thats fine(OR a talent to fix that).

If you don't want a ghoul just play frost?

[bruxx]

I hope we don't and it's because they heard the outcry and are redesigning their customizations.

Fair, I can get behind that version with wider shoulders and a more pronounced jaw.
I just hope they don't do some extreme 180 turn and we end up with an unfinished mess for 10 years like with female worgen.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

If you don't want a ghoul just play frost?

And if people like the general idea of Unholy without the ghoul, IMO they should be able to. Thats my point.

[Khaza-R]

Looks like Druids are getting Mark of the Wild back.

Nice catch. I was wondering when it would find its way back

Mark of the Wild: Increases the target's Speed and critical strike chance by 3% and reduces their magic damage taken by 3% for 60 minutes. If the target is in your party or raid, all party and raid members will be affected.

I wonder if locks will be getting demon skin / demon armor back as well as baseline.

[Chickat]

That really remains to be seen. For the hardcore min/maxers? Sure. But for the community at large? How many will really change just for the few extra dps/hps or tank survival. Sure having loadouts for easy change will make that easier but higher skill cap really just means more balance issues. They've talked about this in the past and how perception and community pressure really makes skill gaps are net negative for the game. It again is hard to balance such gaps with out alienating the skilled or un-skilled in the process. There shouldn't be a "hard mode" specialization for any class so any skill to playing a class is hard to balance.

Nah I'm not hardcore and I plan on having at least 4 or 5 builds per spec.

Raiding single target build.
Raiding aoe build.
Mythic plus build.
Battleground build.
Arena build.
World questing build.

Times 3 specs and thats pretty awesome.

Also unpopular opinion. It's great that the admit that players can make bad builds. If a build can be bad they means there's lots of choices to make. That bad build might be good in a certain situation anyways.

On the interupt situation. There might be a raid fight where you don't need an interupt, but maybe some more healing is needed so you pick a healing spell instead. Tons of examples could be made.

[Makabreska]

And if people like the general idea of Unholy without the ghoul, IMO they should be able to. Thats my point.

Ye, no. That is not the case when said ability is crucial for a spec to work. It may not be THE main mechanic of a spec (wounds), but it is important enough to have lots of synergies down the road (plus class fantasy of a summoner). It works for Frost Mages with water ele, but not here. Some abilities are just too core to a spec.

[rhorle]

Nah I'm not hardcore and I plan on having at least 4 or 5 builds per spec.

I think it is clear you are likely hardcore but have moved the line for what constitutes hardcore for whatever reason. That isn't a casual mindset in the slightest. It isn't great that a build can be bad. It doesn't mean there is any more choice then if all builds are good. It just means that players can punish themselves through ignorance or choice by picking a bad option. That is far from great. Great would be that there are no bad choices.

[Ersula]

illusion of choice with cookie cutter builds > cookie cutter builds without illusion of choice

This is pretty much it. Although, I know the goal was that the Cata Talents would create multiple viable playstyles within a spec while being newbie-firendly: The problem being that was very rarely the case. Notably the builds we saw during BFA with Mistweavers & holy paladins.

All-in-all there were overall more viable builds during the Talent Tree era so we might as well go back to that.

RIP Cataclysm Era Talents - You were an exciting new system that never paid off that somehow lasted 10 years

And if people like the general idea of Unholy without the ghoul, IMO they should be able to. Thats my point.

It looks like that exact playstyle will exist in Frost: A dps build revolving around Rime & Chill Streak, spreading dots while managing resources.

[bruxx]

I think it is clear you are likely hardcore but have moved the line for what constitutes hardcore for whatever reason. That isn't a casual mindset in the slightest. It isn't great that a build can be bad. It doesn't mean there is any more choice then if all builds are good. It just means that players can punish themselves through ignorance or choice by picking a bad option. That is far from great. Great would be that there are no bad choices.

Personally I'm not casual, but certainly not someone that enjoys min/maxing the hell out of my game, I'm way too lazy for that crap.
However, with the presets being a thing, I'm thinking of at least using separate talents for raiding and mythics now, since I only need to set them up once and then I never have to bother switching them around.