Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

Monk is probably the last they will showcase

I imagine that whatever classes they are changing in drastic ways will likely be the last ones to be shown. Personally my money is on Hunters being last in line, with the exception of BM they never seem to get SV and MM right, and I imagine this will be extremely apparant with MM and it's awful talents being problematic when they try to squeeze it into a talent tree.

[Makorus]

I wish they got rid of needing a Tome to respec, especially with having a talent tree.

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Didn't Scaleface say Arcane would get a rework? If so, Mage might be close to the end-ish (then again, Survival was in the first batch for Legion so who knows if it means something)

[Kiivar86]

Didn't Scaleface say Arcane would get a rework? If so, Mage might be close to the end-ish (then again, Survival was in the first batch for Legion so who knows if it means something)

From what I recall he said that the Evoker would take a number of things from Arcane mages but from what we've seen it doesn't really seem to be the case.

edit: I just went through his posts and didn't actually find anything along those lines, just him hinting how the name of the class is the same as an ability of mages (evocation). Unless a post of his was deleted, I'm not sure. May have just been a detail that got warped due to essentially a game of telephone.

[Sondrelk]

From what I recall he said that the Evoker would take a number of things from Arcane mages but from what we've seen it doesn't really seem to be the case.

edit: I just went through his posts and didn't actually find anything along those lines, just him hinting how the name of the class is the same as an ability of mages (evocation). Unless a post of his was deleted, I'm not sure. May have just been a detail that got warped due to essentially a game of telephone.

Could mean a lot of things when it's just something vague like that. Could be they take specific abilities like Evocation, or could mean they just have a similar burn/conserve gameplay.

[Kiivar86]

Could mean a lot of things when it's just something vague like that. Could be they take specific abilities like Evocation, or could mean they just have a similar burn/conserve gameplay.

Could be but looking at the posts where he mentions mages, it seems more to me it was just about his initial reaction due to the name sharing:

That was my idea when i read a name of spec "Evoker" and thought wtf because as I playe mage sometimes first reaction was like I said And hints about mage spell was exactly evocation.

Dunno man, there is no any info about shadowlands - s4 looks like canceled (or was bait to check players reaction) if they really want to push it to november.
Also, it's true that wotlk classic will be just 2 months before - if nothing will change (for now its scheduled for 09.22) - and it's weird af.

So yeah from these I really more take it as "the name reminded me of mages" and people just twisted it from there.
Another thing is that there is no name of "iconic villain" of 10.x but only one who (for me) fit the theme and place of expansion is Galakrond.
Someone wroted before about dragonsworn etc - no, class name is totally out of my mind. In first moment when I read that i thought "hello? we have mages already!". It's similiar to one spell name of arcane mage :P

So yeah from that it feels more like "it made me think of mages due to the arcane mage ability" and less "they're stealing from arcane mages."

Unless posts of his were deleted.

[Blayze]

Not much of an issue, if you have to spent literally single point to get it in DK case. They did say that things like interrupts will be very easy to get.

Thing is, it's something you're never NOT going to take, so why even give you the option not to?

[Makorus]

Thing is, it's something you're never NOT going to take, so why even give you the option not to?

Is it though? There are a lot of raid fights where you certainly dont need interrupts on everyone.

[Dracullus]

Finally we are getting something!

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...alent-preview/

Told you many times, we didn't have radio silence, all news were simply focused on 9.2.5. Now they can start preparing for Alpha.

Pre-order probably will happen soon as well, but I don't think it will have something important for current game anymore. Tirisfal stuff was for everyone, Evoker won't happen until ~2 weeks before expac, we probably get stuff like mount or cosmetics cloaks already discovered as encrypted rewards.

One thing still unknown is 'living world'. Was that decoy? Or maybe it's connected to new reputation system.

EDIT: 2 classes this week. Alpha on 11. July?

[Makabreska]

Thing is, it's something you're never NOT going to take, so why even give you the option not to?

Interrupts are not necessarily needed in raids.

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Is it though? There are a lot of raid fights where you certainly dont need interrupts on everyone.

Unfortunately in this case, you are kinda forced to take interrupt to proceed down the frost section.

[Raetary]

Sure gonna be fun to run a keystone with people who didn't pick their interrupt.

[Lahis]

Problem is when a spec (Unholy) relies on a ghoul because of it's core mechanics.

Basic ghould CD is automatically given for Unholy, and I bet the Row 2 talent that makes it permanent is gateway to some very powerful talents to UHs should always have permanent ghoul unless they are deliberately trolling.

[Lady Atia]

Basic ghould CD is automatically given for Unholy, and I bet the Row 2 talent that makes it permanent is gateway to some very powerful talents to UHs should always have permanent ghoul unless they are deliberately trolling.

I could see maybe on situation where you can run a build without one - if you can controll an undead mob inside a dungeon that would be stronger than your normal ghoul. Besides that yeah, not skilling it will (hopefully) be a trap.

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Sure gonna be fun to run a keystone with people who didn't pick their interrupt.

I'm quite sure you will be able to inspect people's talents beforehand, and if so you can easily write an addon that checks on that for you.

[Kiria]

I hope we don't and it's because they heard the outcry and are redesigning their customizations.

The outcry is from a minority, with luck the race won't change.

[Khaza-R]

Thing is, it's something you're never NOT going to take, so why even give you the option not to?

Tbf, the people who won't pick up an interrupt are probably the same ones who don't interrupt anyway or possibly even have it on their action bar.

I doubt its really as big of an issue as people are making it out to be other than it just makes it more visible to others.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Fair, I can get behind that version with wider shoulders and a more pronounced jaw.
I just hope they don't do some extreme 180 turn and we end up with an unfinished mess for 10 years like with female worgen.

I'm honestly less concerned about their dragon form (though please let armor show up on that) and moreso with the weird "we glued horns on a BElf/Human and then tossed multi-colored glitter all over the place" visage forms.

[Kiivar86]

I seem to recall counterspell being a talent for mages, way back when.

So maybe that's why it doesn't really bother me.

[Teriz]

I’m enjoying the new talent trees. Looking forward to seeing Shaman, Monk, and (obviously) Evoker talents.

[tumbleweed010]

The outcry is from a minority, with luck the race won't change.

With luck they'll actually listen to the valid feedback that this race doesn't resemble the WoW art style at all and give it the revamps it needs. Doesn't need to be beefy, just needs to look more like any of the WoW dragons do.

Tbf, the people who won't pick up an interrupt are probably the same ones who don't interrupt anyway or possibly even have it on their action bar.

I doubt its really as big of an issue as people are making it out to be other than it just makes it more visible to others.

Will likely never happen for Death Knights because passive rune regen is locked behind both Mind Freeze and Icebound Fortitude. The Spec trees look solid for DKs but the class tree needs major work.

Rune regeneration shouldn't be locked behind Mind Freeze because you don't always need Mind Freeze for all content (ie: some raid bosses) but you always need Runic Empowerment or Corruption.

[Hitei]

Rune regeneration shouldn't be locked behind Mind Freeze because you don't always need Mind Freeze for all content (ie: some raid bosses) but you always need Runic Empowerment or Corruption.

That's always gonna be true for anything, its part of the nature of a tiered tree that requires investment in previous tiers. A balance druid doesn't need increased healing or better range on other forms for most fights, but they still want sunfire.

Going into rune regeneration is 6 of your 31 class talent points. Is one of them being an interrupt not used on some bosses really a big deal?

[infinitemeridian]

I think the new talents are a bit safe and boring, especially since they seem to just be repackaging the classes / specs. But saying things like a "petless" UH is dumb - nobody is not going to take that talent, you need it for half the tree, so it's basically baseline. That's the new design. Theoretically you "could", but that is what Blizz was saying when they said you could make bad choices.

The specs are clearly supposed to take certain talents to be functional. They've just moved abilities you learned through leveling in the spell book into talents to make them seem more impressive than they are.

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I'm betting we get 3-4 classes a week until they're all done, then Alpha will launch. Similar to how they rolled out the Legion spec previews - were those all done before we saw the alpha / beta?

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I am curious as to what they do with DH. Surely that class doesn't have enough over the last 3 expansions to cover an entire class + spec tree?