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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Since you have not done Mythic+, you might not know it, but that is just the regular barrier at the dungeon entrance that prevents players from moving forward before the countdown timer is done and the run proper begins.
    Nope, I've never done it.

    How sad. But oh well, that expansion is coming anyway sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    I guess I will go with what Marlamin and other have said, which is that its just your own interpetation and it doesnt persee mean its canon..
    The thing is we know for a while what dark rangers and san'layn have as classes and is visible in game and a bit in the new book. So blizz giving pale skin and red eyes for pala and druids is a new 9.2.5 thing only visible in costumization and nowhere else. I guess you are right and its there for rp purpose, I dont think we will get more insight on this, unless they come forward and say undead paladin is now a playable thing. Or else we would have seen forsaken paladin as well tbh. Putting on the costume of red eyes and pale skin(which is what it feels like) is still you being a blood elf. You can rp as one.

    That being said my opinion is still the same druid and pala feel off with red eyes and pale skin.
    Again, we already have examples of undead Paladins (Sir Zeliek) aswell as druids using the powers of death (all of our player character druids in Shadowlands, Kul Tirans aswell as the Drust). Here's my newest Darkfallen Paladina - hope you like her!



    Btw, Blizzard already said they want to make all races having all classes available, it's just that they need to do unique assets for some of them. And again, if you can play a race/class combo it is canon to the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Nope, I've never done it.

    How sad. But oh well, that expansion is coming anyway sooner or later.
    You should try some m+, it's super fun and you can get a purple deathwalker with season 4!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Who says?
    How many games have been living worlds that never have any outdated content? You can fantasize all you want but lets not pretend that the reality is that games that last for a long time always have content that is outdated. Even your examples still indicate that things are out dated but just are out dated in different states then WoW zones. So you even say the same thing as me while taking issue with it. Strange, right? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Again, we already have examples of undead Paladins (Sir Zeliek) aswell as druids using the powers of death (all of our player character druids in Shadowlands, Kul Tirans aswell as the Drust). Here's my newest Darkfallen Paladina - hope you like her!



    Btw, Blizzard already said they want to make all races having all classes available, it's just that they need to do unique assets for some of them. And again, if you can play a race/class combo it is canon to the game.

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    You should try some m+, it's super fun and you can get a purple deathwalker with season 4!
    Again its your own interpetation, no matter what your opinion is. Forsaken paladins still isnt really playable. I mean your character is a clear example of your own interpetation m8, idk what else i need to tell you, besides hover over your character and see your still a blood elf. If you want to rp as a vampire, you can or a dark ranger who took up a blade for all I care, doesnt mean its canon.

    Its an rp element as you figured out by yourself in your first first response. See high elves, same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Again its your own interpetation, no matter what your opinion is. Forsaken paladins still isnt really playable. I mean your character is a clear example of your own interpetation m8, idk what else i need to tell you, besides hover over your character and see your still a blood elf. If you want to rp as a vampire, you can or a dark ranger who took up a blade for all I care, doesnt mean its canon.

    Its an rp element as you figured out by yourself in your first first response. See high elves, same thing.
    Yeah I completely agree with you. Which is why I would have preferred an allied race -way more customization and the game actually recognizes the type of character that you are, with an appropriate starting zone, race title, racials, class appropriate choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugnomo View Post
    Yeah I completely agree with you. Which is why I would have preferred an allied race -way more customization and the game actually recognizes the type of character that you are, with an appropriate starting zone, race title, racials, class appropriate choices.
    Yea I would have prefered it as well, I had many ideas in my head in terms of costumizations, but I kept my expatations very low, because slowly but surely it was clear many of the hints people though were part of an allied race were proven to be for other stuff.

    It would just feel better and you would realy feel like that particular race, darkfallen in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Yea I would have prefered it as well, I had many ideas in my head in terms of costumizations, but I kept my expatations very low, because slowly but surely it was clear many of the hints people though were part of an allied race were proven to be for other stuff.

    It would just feel better and you would realy feel like that particular race, darkfallen in this case.
    But the big critique point for allied races was that most of them just felt like they should have been customization options in the first place, hence Blizzard giving us potential allied races as customizations instead for Shadowlands (Wildhammer Dwarves, Sand Trolls, High Elves and Darkfallen). You don't need racials, a specific starting zone or an ingame tooltip calling you XY to be a race if you have the right customization options now. Again, "rules are just a framework". I'm quite sure that blizzard would release highmountain tauren or lightforged just as customization options if they would do them now. Which is fine, and again exactly what people wanted since BfA.
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    https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...JZsJwvDVw&s=19

    Ve'nari apparently faked her death and is now travelling the cosmos with the dude from the SL preorder set quest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...JZsJwvDVw&s=19

    Ve'nari apparently faked her death and is now travelling the cosmos with the dude from the SL preorder set quest.
    Ye. We had a thread, where OP saw the engineering interaction but didn't conclude the corpse was faek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    But the big critique point for allied races was that most of them just felt like they should have been customization options in the first place, hence Blizzard giving us potential allied races as customizations instead for Shadowlands (Wildhammer Dwarves, Sand Trolls, High Elves and Darkfallen). You don't need racials, a specific starting zone or an ingame tooltip calling you XY to be a race if you have the right customization options now. Again, "rules are just a framework". I'm quite sure that blizzard would release highmountain tauren or lightforged just as customization options if they would do them now. Which is fine, and again exactly what people wanted since BfA.
    I literally cannot comprehend this rationale.
    How is that a critique? The difference between both of these options is that one is richer in content than the other. Are we arguing that they give us less? Why?
    Allied races don't detract from customizations, they're a more complete form of them.
    It's one thing to accept that resources are finite and that we can't always get everything. To accept one skin tone and one eye color as what can be done in this moment and better than nothing. But to actively be against getting more than that I don't understand.
    If the things we wish for this game are on the basis of "need", then there's not really a need for most of it. Give us a faceless grey humanoid shape and we'll roleplay as whatever we want I guess. No "need" to flesh out visual and lore identities in the game, we'll just headcanon it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...JZsJwvDVw&s=19

    Ve'nari apparently faked her death and is now travelling the cosmos with the dude from the SL preorder set quest.
    Kind of cool but would of been nice to see more of Xolartios in the story if they were going to connect those plot points. But w/e at this point. Shadowlands gonna be Shadowlands.

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    First preview for the Talent Trees are up.

    Can't really pass judgment as I don't play either of the classes, but we are starting to get info now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugnomo View Post
    I literally cannot comprehend this rationale.
    How is that a critique? The difference between both of these options is that one is richer in content than the other. Are we arguing that they give us less? Why?
    Allied races don't detract from customizations, they're a more complete form of them.
    It's one thing to accept that resources are finite and that we can't always get everything. To accept one skin tone and one eye color as what can be done in this moment and better than nothing. But to actively be against getting more than that I don't understand.
    If the things we wish for this game are on the basis of "need", then there's not really a need for most of it. Give us a faceless grey humanoid shape and we'll roleplay as whatever we want I guess. No "need" to flesh out visual and lore identities in the game, we'll just headcanon it.
    The rationale is that people rather get something like Vulperas or Zandalari than Highmountain Tauren. And in the end, you have these options:

    1) Getting unique new Races like Dracthyr
    2) Getting unique Allied Races like Vulpera
    3) Getting Allied Races like Highmountain Tauren which forces you to pay for a race change although they could just be customizations
    4) Getting unique customizations that allow you to play a new race via an old one
    5) Getting nothing

    At the end of the day, looks are more important than gameplay for me, so I couldn't care less if I have unique racials if I can get more races to play in the end. I don't have the game to tell me I'm a high elf/sandtroll/darkfallen/wildhammer dwarf in order to be one. And all of these options are canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    First preview for the Talent Trees are up.

    Can't really pass judgment as I don't play either of the classes, but we are starting to get info now.
    Great to see Convoke made the cut. What's funny though is that Death Knights didn't get any of the Shadowlands Covenant abilities, it seems? RIP grabby hands.

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    Good to see some info again, seems things are heating up. I am expecting more the following weeks. Big Preorder period coming up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    Good to see some info again, seems things are heating up. I am expecting more the following weeks. Big Preorder period coming up.
    Yeah, we are in the end game now. Depending on how fast they drop the other talent trees I could see Alpha launching in the next 2-4 weeks easily.

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    The talents still seem like the illusion of choice where min/max paths will still be the community default based on guides. Hopefully they can keep all the options and paths balanced so there are no bad choices. There is nothing inherent wrong with that illusion but if it takes resources away from the rest of the game to maintain I think i'd prefer the old way. Just give us small "borrowed power" each expansion that are similar to this system and the Shadowlands soulbinds.

    I also wonder how this will impact future expansions that keep adding new branches and abilities. Right now it is easy to populate it by including things from the borrowed power systems they are not longer using but eventually it seems like it would become a nightmare to balance. Though they can just squish or redo everything every few expansions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...JZsJwvDVw&s=19

    Ve'nari apparently faked her death and is now travelling the cosmos with the dude from the SL preorder set quest.
    Wait, this is huge news! I always thought it was weird that we never saw the Eternal Travelers within the Shadowlands. Seems like they kinda fixed that plothole for now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Great to see Convoke made the cut. What's funny though is that Death Knights didn't get any of the Shadowlands Covenant abilities, it seems? RIP grabby hands.
    Abonnement nation limb is right there in the DK tree. It's just not in any one spec tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The talents still seem like the illusion of choice where min/max paths will still be the community default based on guides. Hopefully they can keep all the options and paths balanced so there are no bad choices. There is nothing inherent wrong with that illusion but if it takes resources away from the rest of the game to maintain I think i'd prefer the old way. Just give us small "borrowed power" each expansion that are similar to this system and the Shadowlands soulbinds.

    I also wonder how this will impact future expansions that keep adding new branches and abilities. Right now it is easy to populate it by including things from the borrowed power systems they are not longer using but eventually it seems like it would become a nightmare to balance. Though they can just squish or redo everything every few expansions.
    What the new talent system has is the potential to have unique builds for every raid boss and every Dungeon though, which sounds great on paper and requires quite a higher skill cap as you would have to play more playstyles.

    And the new system is build to last a few expansions so I would guess they already have plans on how to expand the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Abonnement nation limb is right there in the DK tree. It's just not in any one spec tree.
    Ahhhh, true! For some reason I didn't see the basic dk trees talents in the post lol.

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