Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Greyfang]

I think the most inclusive approach would be to add different body shapes regardless of gender. It would be kind of ridiculous to have the bulkier body option only available for males. So 2-3 body shapes that you can choose from regardless of the character gender would IMO be the best option and I don't see how anyone could be offended by that.

[Lady Atia]

I think the most inclusive approach would be to add different body shapes regardless of gender. It would be kind of ridiculous to have the bulkier body option only available for males. So 2-3 body shapes that you can choose from regardless of the character gender would IMO be the best option and I don't see how anyone could be offended by that.

I could also see them adding beards for the Dracthyr form. Adult drakes use them regardless of their gender too. Slightly changes in shapes (maybe through horns or slightly changed scales) would be ok but I would rather keep the neutral outlook similiar to again, all the adult dragons and drakes we currently have in the game.

[ExiHext]

Nah, even better: we give males by default the slender body and females the bulky one. I want to see people seethe.

[Kiriastrasza]

Nah, even better: we give males by default the slender body and females the bulky one. I want to see people seethe.

This is someone who wants to watch the world burn.

[ExiHext]

This is someone who wants to watch the world burn.

So obvious?

[Sondrelk]

Meh, honestly Nazjatar was a huge dissapointment for me, both from a design and content PoV. It's super ugly especially if you compare it with cool "Nazjatar as an Expansion concepts" or even with the Zin Aszhari we got in the Warbringers video or the CoT dungeon. Honestly I think they should have gone the Argus route instead and have one zone that's basically corall ruins like the stuff we got, one that's propperly Zin Aszhari like the Eternal Palace and maybe one that's N'Zoth inspired. But than again, they wasted lot of potential awesome stuff during BfA, thanks Afrasiabi.

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Oh, and also - didn't they announce some flashy waterfalls that you can interact with during the blizzcon nazjatar preview? Don't think we ever got that, right?

Nazjatars biggest mistake was removing the water. All it ended up being is a water themed zone with a cool skybox.

And yes, it was originally pitched as being far more vertical with water tubes and waterfalls to move around. But since the WoW playerbase is allergic to zones that require thought to move around in I guess they scrapped it.

[Zulggun]

I can't see a difference between hunting witches and hating on trans or non-binary people or their (even potential) representation.

Wanting sexual dimorphism in fantasy race is hating on nonbinary? Do you actually enjoy reaching so far?

[Lady Atia]

Wanting sexual dimorphism in fantasy race is hating on nonbinary? Do you actually enjoy reaching so far?

It isn't like any other race in the game is catering to people who love sexual dimorphism in their fantasy races, right?

[Gigantique]

Blizzard hasn't said anything about that, the race looks the way it does because it's trying to emulate Alexstrasza/regular dragons. Dracthyr are basically shrunken down dragons that stand upright. This is also why they have genders in visage form, like the aspects and other dragons have.

Sure, yet they don't really look like shrunken down bipedal dragons though, not with that body shape. Dragons in WoW (and generally) don't have sexual dimorphism but they do that by having all of them look imposing and mighty, regardless of their sex. To me the Dracthyr does not look like a shrunk down bipedal version of a mighty dragon but like a straightened up dragonman given proper wings.

As far as I've seen that's the problem for most that aren't on the extreme end. If dragons in WoW were slender af and more lithe/agile the Dracthyr would absolutely look like a bipedal version of them, but dragons are hulking behemoths regardless of sex. But I absolutely do not want any design removed, only options added, and nothing that makes them Draconid levels of gigabuff, but the Thunderbird edit is exactly what I would like for my Dracthyr to feel like it's a bipedal WoW dragon. The neck and jaw especially would go miles, but then the shoulders need to be broader for the neck/head not to look cartoonishly big in comparison etc etc

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Wanting sexual dimorphism in fantasy race is hating on nonbinary? Do you actually enjoy reaching so far?

This is just a weird thing so agreed.

[Gigantique]

It's kinda funny to see the blood elf male form being referred to as 'hypersexualized' (not the word you mean) when the joke for years were how feminine they were.

I think the femininity was in their behaviour (and MAYBE the bend in their hips) more than their physique. They very much have perfect swimmer's bodies so I think young teens attacked them more for acting 'geh' than being feminine in their build because male belves have a proper rocking powerstance that tells you they're better than you if you ask me.

[Zulggun]

It isn't like any other race in the game is catering to people who love sexual dimorphism in their fantasy races, right?

Human having dimorphism is hating? Taurens having it is hating? Naga? Troll? Literally any race that has dimorphism is according to you a hating on nonbinary? Do you even comprehend how insane you sound?

[Lady Atia]

Human having dimorphism is hating? Taurens having it is hating? Naga? Troll? Literally any race that has dimorphism is according to you a hating on nonbinary? Do you even comprehend how insane you sound?

Where did I say that? You are the one who sounds insane my friend, and you are the one who continues to drag out that annoying discussion because you can't accept that Blizzard may be catering to something that's going against your views.

The thing is, if Blizzard is adding a race without dimorphism for once and you are hating on them for not having dimorphism, that is exactly that - hating. It's like being angry if a tv series or game has characters that aren't white cis. The norm is already represented well enough everywhere else, it's about time the minorities also get some representation. And you sound like you are against that.

[Soikona]

Because Human males are bodybuilders while Kul Tirans are weightlifters.

If Kul could be paladins, it would be more main race!

[Lady Atia]

If Kul could be paladins, it would be more main race!

I'm quite sure we will see them eventually. It never made sense that they aren't honestly, they could have went with Tideguards being Paladins. Would you be ok if they would do a HD version of the classic paladin charger and gave a green version to Kul'Tirans (and a purple one to Void Elfs to mirror the Blood Elf charger)? Because that would be an easy way to do them instead of creating a 100% unique charger like the other recent Paladins got.

[Zulggun]

Where did I say that? You are the one who sounds insane my friend, and you are the one who continues to drag out that annoying discussion because you can't accept that Blizzard may be catering to something that's going against your views.

The thing is, if Blizzard is adding a race without dimorphism for once and you are hating on them for not having dimorphism, that is exactly that - hating. It's like being angry if a tv series or game has characters that aren't white cis. The norm is already represented well enough everywhere else, it's about time the minorities also get some representation. And you sound like you are against that.

Again, as I said before I do tego give a shit if dracthyr have two or three or seventy genders. I just find it ridiculous and frankly quite insane that you react with such hatred to idea for them to have something more than one look. That's what it is. And again, you put biological genders and witch hunt into one sentence.

[Lady Atia]

Again, as I said before I do tego give a shit if dracthyr have two or three or seventy genders. I just find it ridiculous and frankly quite insane that you react with such hatred to idea for them to have something more than one look. That's what it is. And again, you put biological genders and witch hunt into one sentence.

If you are ok with Blizzard representing more than the standard, including gender neutral stuff, there is a simple way to proof that. Say it. Please. If you do, I will apologise to you.

Otherwise I'm done discussing with you and consider myself the winner with a moral highground.
=) <3

[Sondrelk]

Sure, yet they don't really look like shrunken down bipedal dragons though, not with that body shape. Dragons in WoW (and generally) don't have sexual dimorphism but they do that by having all of them look imposing and mighty, regardless of their sex. To me the Dracthyr does not look like a shrunk down bipedal version of a mighty dragon but like a straightened up dragonman given proper wings.

As far as I've seen that's the problem for most that aren't on the extreme end. If dragons in WoW were slender af and more lithe/agile the Dracthyr would absolutely look like a bipedal version of them, but dragons are hulking behemoths regardless of sex. But I absolutely do not want any design removed, only options added, and nothing that makes them Draconid levels of gigabuff, but the Thunderbird edit is exactly what I would like for my Dracthyr to feel like it's a bipedal WoW dragon. The neck and jaw especially would go miles, but then the shoulders need to be broader for the neck/head not to look cartoonishly big in comparison etc etc

Dragons in WoW are not actually that bulky compared to their size. The Dracthyr model is actually a fairly accurate representation of the Dragon model if you compare individual elements like shoulder width and such. The main difference is the torso to arms and legs ratio, as well as a lack of a keelbone in the breast.

[Lady Atia]

Dragons in WoW are not actually that bulky compared to their size. The Dracthyr model is actually a fairly accurate representation of the Dragon model if you compare individual elements like shoulder width and such. The main difference is the torso to arms and legs ratio, as well as a lack of a keelbone in the breast.

Yeah, especially the classic drake mounts we all use and love are super spindly imo.

[Makorus]

Again, as I said before I do tego give a shit if dracthyr have two or three or seventy genders. I just find it ridiculous and frankly quite insane that you react with such hatred to idea for them to have something more than one look. That's what it is. And again, you put biological genders and witch hunt into one sentence.

Doesn't look like you don't give a shit judging by your comments

And yeah, the vitriol people receive for even daring to say that it would be cool if a race only had one gender so non-binary people would have some representation makes the comparison to the witch hunts quite apt.

Then again, the WoW community and especially in here is just a cesspool when it comes to anything that's not straight and white though