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    >Buttload of D4 and OW news
    >Nothing about WoW / DF

    Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasoka View Post
    >Buttload of D4 and OW news
    >Nothing about WoW / DF

    Nice.
    I mean it could be worse, we could have no talent trees to look at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    I mean it could be worse, we could have no talent trees to look at.
    >It could be worse

    Yeah like 2 years ago I'd agree with this statement. Not anymore though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post


    I really wonder with the community here some times. Have they only played WoW and the few more popular MMOs? Or just WoW and have seen other games in streams?
    Dragonriding is just flight simulation gameplay. I logged hundreds of hours in Pilotwings before anyone even dreamed of a Warcraft MMO.
    Exxactly this.. people claim that their <insert favourite game here> invented <mechanic X>. This is especially the case lately with the GW2 playerbase, it's really frustrating. Objectivity goes out the window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasoka View Post
    >Buttload of D4 and OW news
    >Nothing about WoW / DF

    Nice.
    Not sure why there would be WoW specific news at an Xbox/Bethesda specific conference. The only exception would be if it were to come to Game Pass which I (at the very least) don't see happening before the acquisition completes.

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    Wow, I'm more surprised about Overwatch 2. Free to play (including single player, right?) and coming October this year? So 2023 is pretty easy to guess: 1st half Dragonflight, 2nd half Diablo IV. Hopefully normal Blizzcon '23 in November after merger with 10.2 (I hope not 10.1) news and new survival game full reveal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Not sure why there would be WoW specific news at an Xbox/Bethesda specific conference. The only exception would be if it were to come to Game Pass which I (at the very least) don't see happening before the acquisition completes.
    Same reason why would there be Diablo 4 or Overwatch news. But right now there is nothing to announce for broad audience. Beta or pre-order is something important for WoW community, for rest only release day or something like releasing game on pass would be big enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Wow, I'm more surprised about Overwatch 2. Free to play (including single player, right?) and coming October this year? So 2023 is pretty easy to guess: 1st half Dragonflight, 2nd half Diablo IV. Hopefully normal Blizzcon '23 in November after merger with 10.2 (I hope not 10.1) news and new survival game full reveal.
    D4 should be on or before June 2023 since all games shown at the conference were "planned to release in the next 12 months" (though plans can change ofc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Same reason why would there be Diablo 4 or Overwatch news. But right now there is nothing to announce for broad audience. Beta or pre-order is something important for WoW community, for rest only release day or something like releasing game on pass would be big enough.
    Both of those are on Xbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    D4 should be on or before June 2023 since all games shown at the conference were "planned to release in the next 12 months" (though plans can change ofc).
    Maybe, although I think Diablo 4 and Dragonflight are paradoxically even more direct competition than retail and classic. But Dragonflight could release really early into 2023.

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    D4 beta and release year, OW release date, guess we are getting wow beta and preorders soon.


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    Based on the preliminary release date of the Prequel book, the expansion would be placed in March 2023 based on previous estimations of Prequel book to Expansion release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Never said it does, that was someone else. my only comment on other max level progression systems was on ESO and how bad that is.
    Oh, I was agreeing with you. Content has a shelf life. Blizzard can't escape that with seasons and affixes any more than ArenaNet can with masteries and legendaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manypillars View Post
    Oh, I was agreeing with you. Content has a shelf life. Blizzard can't escape that with seasons and affixes any more than ArenaNet can with masteries and legendaries.
    Really there is only one good solution. Make more content.

    I will wonder forever if they good create evergreen content by making use of timewalking or an old world revamp and then add it on a rotation to cover time between patches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Really there is only one good solution. Make more content.

    I will wonder forever if they good create evergreen content by making use of timewalking or an old world revamp and then add it on a rotation to cover time between patches.
    I mean it is an issue of management and cost. The management has recognized that the fanbase will stick around for the bare minimum for the first 3 months regardless. Those who stick around longer or return will not mind the specific content checklist that has been in place for a while. Seasons are effective marketing for big spikes of 1-3-6 month subs that remain dead until the next season.

    A team that is dedicated to EK and Kalimdor would be too expensive and while it is very surprising to see them not utilize Timewalking for 10.0 with a massive revamp with the 20K+ DisplayIDs that are left unused that could be put on a vendor for free engagement. I mean, they may just be too crunched in their current position to have any resources beyond getting Dragonflight out the door, collect the shipped game bonus and fucking off leaving a Shadowlands scenario available for us to go through once more and since the community are totally okay with the concept of "Cut & Run". It may occur once again with full acceptance from everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Really there is only one good solution. Make more content.

    I will wonder forever if they good create evergreen content by making use of timewalking or an old world revamp and then add it on a rotation to cover time between patches.
    Simply: no. We've lived through Cata- no world revamp will ever be evergreen. It will become as worn through as vanilla and cata. If scaling and events were an answer, then we'd have seen that work in GW2 and every other game that's employed them. Timewalking certainly hasn't. Next weeks Cata dungeons are not as fresh now as they were years ago simply by having to suffer them once more. If Timewalking was evergreen, then why ever have new dungeons and raids? Scale Black Temple for every season. Adding old dungeons to the current season rotation is nothing more than a sad sleight of hand, trying to pretend there's something new here when it's just old ass dungeons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Same reason why would there be Diablo 4 or Overwatch news. But right now there is nothing to announce for broad audience. Beta or pre-order is something important for WoW community, for rest only release day or something like releasing game on pass would be big enough.
    Diablo and Overwatch are on Xbox/consoles where as WoW is not. So it makes sense that OW2 and D4 would have some information released during the Microsoft event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    D4 should be on or before June 2023 since all games shown at the conference were "planned to release in the next 12 months" (though plans can change ofc).

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    Both of those are on Xbox.
    Yeah, I could see a delay to September or October.

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    WoW, blizzard is going to have a massive year. OW2, Diablo 4, Diablo Immortal, Dragonflight, usual hearthstone stuff etc all within 12-16 months of one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Really there is only one good solution. Make more content.

    I will wonder forever if they good create evergreen content by making use of timewalking or an old world revamp and then add it on a rotation to cover time between patches.
    World content has to be a pillar of the game aside from Dungeons Raids and PVP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasoka View Post
    >Buttload of D4 and OW news
    >Nothing about WoW / DF

    Nice.
    WoW is not a XBox game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Wow, I'm more surprised about Overwatch 2. Free to play (including single player, right?) and coming October this year? So 2023 is pretty easy to guess: 1st half Dragonflight, 2nd half Diablo IV. Hopefully normal Blizzcon '23 in November after merger with 10.2 (I hope not 10.1) news and new survival game full reveal.
    PvP part of OW2 was always going to be just a free update to OW1 so this is not much different. PvE part is still sold separately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    PvP part of OW2 was always going to be just a free update to OW1 so this is not much different. PvE part is still sold separately.
    But does it mean that the entirety of Overwatch PvP is F2P, or do you still have to buy OW1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    But does it mean that the entirety of Overwatch PvP is F2P, or do you still have to buy OW1?
    Originally they stated that OW2 will only require a purchase for the solo PvE aspect of the expansion. That OW1 players will be able to use OW2 heroes and maps with out an extra charge. It is unclear if that model has changed now that they have announced you don't even have to buy OW1 as OW2 will be free to play. They announced a reveal event on June 16th so we should get specific information then.
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