Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.

...and you have some arguments beside it's bad? List exactly what in your opinion made Shadowlands 'bad' and THEN we can discuss if Dragonflight has potential to be better.

Example, here's mine list what I didn't liked in SL, judging from whole picture:

1) Story too disconnected from Azeroth and themes like alternate universes or afterlifes are mistakes in my opinion. That's why I loved BfA launch (with exception of making Horde clearly evil from day 1). Will DF correct this mistake? I think very likely. We still don't know much though.

2) 7-8 month long patches and only 3 big raids. We simply have no data here, for sure they can screw up this again, especially if DF will come too fast. Bonus season at the end of SL is great idea, but I'm afraid it will give them lazy path and 4th season will always be something like this, in my ideal we would have 5 seasons lasting 5 months each (and 5th one being "bonus" one).

3) Systems become deadweight in SL. In Legion they introduced artifact so you have something to grind (because in WoD there was REALLY not much to do), but since Legion cosmetic part of game grew.. and grew.. and grew. We don't need grind for power to have always something to do in game. So in SL whole grind was removed, but systems stayed.

And worst thing about SL/BfA systems (Legion was less affected by this) - too much choices. You want raid. You must pick right talents, right covenant, right soulbind, right conduct, right legendary. It's far too complicated. But this is something that we KNOW will be fixed in DF. We just simply won't have it.

That also solve "alt problem" in my book. I had complains about alts in BfA, simply BfA design was too chaotic and all over the place. In SL you can jump straight to patch action with few clicks. Only tedious part was gathering all system related stuff (right lego, right conduit, etc.)

Beside that I always thought SL is good direction for game. If anything my main complain about DF is that it still focuses more on "fixing" game instead of taking any risks with new forms of gameplay.

[Alexjimithing]

It’s pretty cool Nyel got to play the game already.

[Skildar]

In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.

This sounds perfectly like the introduction in the Law and Order tv show, well played

[Nyel]

Ok, this is just hilarious at this point. A new class that people play during end game is not content



And here is your problem you still do not get. There is no available content for DF. Game didn't even start Alpha. You do not know how it will look on launch and what will be added there and in later patch. Yet you are sooo confident about a complete shape of the game from the reveal snippets.

No because you clearly have not grasped the difference between content and a feature. I don't know how a new class is content for players of the other twelve classes, but whatever.

Uhm, they already said what to expect. New dungeons, new raids and a new continent. Heck, that's one of the most prominent "features" on the Dragonflight announcement patch. Not that it's the most trivial and basic stuff for an expansion to contain. Everything else is listed under the expansion features section. You don't need to wait for Alpha or Beta to point that out when it's laid out and written everywhere.

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Raids are still there, mythic + are still there, dungeons are still there. Mogs are still there. Mounts are still there (although in a new form I guess).

What other content ? Torgy ? People hated it.
Island expe ? people hated it.
Horrific vision ? I think people didn't really like it.
Pet battle ? Still there and it's not the most popular thing.
Scenarios ? It wasn't that popular either.

So what content are you talking about ?

I have no idea what your post is about as half of what you said was already said by me and the other half has nothing to do with what I was trying to say.

Dragonflight offers the same range of content as WoD. That was my statement. Raids, dungeons and open world zones. That's the content of WoD and that's the content of Dragonflight. Nothing more was said.

I agree that the recent new types of content were usually disliked, but does that mean to completely cut it and not even try to come up with a compensation for that loss? Because Blizzard is doing exactly that. They're "pruning", but this time expansion features. I'm just saying it will backfire a lot because people will get bored by this expansion faster than ever before.

[Hitei]

So these games outdid F76 with it's T poses, falling under ground, crashes, graphic glitches, rollbacks, guns not shooting, perks not working, models bugging, item weight not working and many more?

You really call that game the most stable and bug free?.

Yes. Absolutely. 100%.

Because they had ALL of those issues, even more frequently. New Vegas is one of the most crashy games in fucking existence. It is, to this day, still plagued by issues that make it so a huge chunk of people cannot even play the game because it has rampant and varied startup crashing problems. It also crashes constantly on alt tab, and load screens and entering VATS and looting any inventory, and pretty much any other action taken. It has those same animation, ground clipping, model bugging and inventory/perk and gun not shooting issues (especially in VATS).

Launch Skyrim had near constant animation bugs (76 T posing is a joke compared to how frequently and badly dragons animations bugged), constant graphical and texture glitches, models stretching across the entire world, quests not working, physics bugs out that ass many of which would kill you for doing things like hitting a small object on the ground wrong and being killed by the impact damage, falling through the ground, getting stuck in tables, chairs, benches, basically anything and everything, NPCs and mobs just spawning in the air and falling to their death, hit detection breaking, frequent sound trigger bugging that would make spots just start spamming bird noises or the like.

76 is the more stable and less bugged game. It is not a bug free game, it is just way less buggy and unstable than earlier Bathesda games.

[Dracullus]

Yes and I already told you days and weeks ago. Instead of copying stuff like Dragonriding from other games they should rather copy their horizontal progression and improve that.

Be specific. So working on 11.0 continent or not? If it will be some power connected to Dragon Isles, it still would be borrowed power. Hell, very likely SL will work like that, that was original plan that community forced Blizzard to change.

[Nyel]

Be specific. So working on 11.0 continent or not? If it will be some power connected to Dragon Isles, it still would be borrowed power. Hell, very likely SL will work like that, that was original plan that community forced Blizzard to change.

I gave you one quite simple idea last week how they easily could keep progression going: you can still earn talent points at max level. It will take way more time and effort to get one, but you still can get them. So you can unlock more and more talents over time. Or you can earn things that add stacks to existing talents, e.g. giving talent A an additional stack so you can put two points into said talent. Now you work towards getting stacks for some (basic) talents and getting more skill points to unlock them. There you have an easy way to keep progression going on max level instead of earning nothing at all (besides new gear and new cosmetics). Because you can be sure that people will instantly complain about the lack of progression the minute they reach max level in Dragonflight.

[Hitei]

Blizzard shill, lmfao.

Also your attempt at whataboutism is just borderline stupid, don't even try G.

That's not whataboutism.

[Lady Atia]

?????

Raids are still there, mythic + are still there, dungeons are still there. Mogs are still there. Mounts are still there (although in a new form I guess).

What other content ? Torgy ? People hated it.
Island expe ? people hated it.
Horrific vision ? I think people didn't really like it.
Pet battle ? Still there and it's not the most popular thing.
Scenarios ? It wasn't that popular either.

So what content are you talking about ?

Ion already confirmed that Dragonriding mounts will not replace classic mount collecting. We will get as much if not more mounts with Dragonflight as we got with Shadowlands, plus the drake customizations. Atleast that's the plan.

Also - did they seriously release the wrong beta today xD? Who cares for classic testing arghhh ...

[Makabreska]

I don't even consider it a full class at this point, it's a mini-class.
Two spec classes are mini classes, just because they get unique customizations / race options, doesn't change the fact that these are still classes that could've easily had a third spec.

Kay. Opinion noted.

[Dracullus]

I gave you one quite simple idea last week how they easily could keep progression going: you can still earn talent points at max level. It will take way more time and effort to get one, but you still can get them. So you can unlock more and more talents over time. Or you can earn things that add stacks to existing talents, e.g. giving talent A an additional stack so you can put two points into said talent. Now you work towards getting stacks for some (basic) talents and getting more skill points to unlock them. There you have an easy way to keep progression going on max level instead of earning nothing at all (besides new gear and new cosmetics). Because you can be sure that people will instantly complain about the lack of progression the minute they reach max level in Dragonflight.

What happen to this extra points when 11.0 will launch?

[Lady Atia]

Not an opinion, a fact rather.

Even you can agree that DH and Evoker could've easily had third specs that would've made sense.

Well, they could always add a range DH based upon Hearthstone and a tank Dracthyr down the line.

[Makabreska]

Not an opinion, a fact rather.

Even you can agree that DH and Evoker could've easily had third specs that would've made sense.

No, it's not a fact. There is no such thing as a "mini class" in WoW. Classes are not defined by the number of specs they have.

[Lady Atia]

Also, from the wotlk classic design:

The third and final design pillar of the Classic WoW team is: The World is the Main Character. We want you to maintain the feeling of being immersed in a living world (of Warcraft). We love your exploration and your player-driven stories and want to make sure you have a reason to visit various locations in the world over and over again. Gathering and crafting professions are important to that sense of world, and of its economy, where you are interacting with thousands of other players in a vibrant player community. This pillar means we need to preserve the world we have created from excessive changes. You should be able to collect the lost pages of the Green Hills of Stranglethorn, to rescue the town of Darkshire from Stitches, or to return to Tempest Keep and face off against Prince Kael’thas one more time (and hope for rare mount drop). You should be able to tell your personally unique stories about your exploits, even as you follow along the epic stories of Azeroth’s most famous personalities.

Didn't we find datamining strings for a living world feature for retail? Maybe they are gonna add classic EK and Kalimdor to retail during Dragonflight if they follow the same design pillar? With WotlK classic serving as the initial testbed for it - maybe with a toggle for classic and wotlk Naxx?

[Skildar]

Not an opinion, a fact rather.

Even you can agree that DH and Evoker could've easily had third specs that would've made sense.

easily? I'm expecting to hear some big ideas then

[rhorle]

This is flat out reaching. I already said I would be happy to be proven wrong and for the game to be good. Why? Because that gives people a better experience and shows Blizzard can learn from their mistakes in and before Shadowlands. I have no reason to want it to be bad.

If you have no reason to want it bad you wouldn't be predicting it to be bad. There is a disconnect with what you keep saying. There is nothing that indicate Dragonflight will be bad yet you keep giving reasons for why you think it will be bad. On some level you want it to be bad because that is what you keep saying it will be based on little to no Dragonflight details.

[Nyel]

Ion already confirmed that Dragonriding mounts will not replace classic mount collecting. We will get as much if not more mounts with Dragonflight as we got with Shadowlands, plus the drake customizations. Atleast that's the plan.

Also - did they seriously release the wrong beta today xD? Who cares for classic testing arghhh ...

How would they even release DF beta when DF alpha hasn't been updated yet?

[Lady Atia]

How would they even release DF beta when DF alpha hasn't been updated yet?

Dude. You aren't stupid and you know the meaning behind my comment. They should have released DF testing instead of the WotLK classic snorefeast "testing".

[rhorle]

they can push out the .X content patches faster, and we could always see new systems in those too.

Has that ever been the case though? Even when Blizzard mad a concious decision to increase employee number and release content faster they couldn't deliver. Could this time be different? Sure. Even when he had the "basic" patches in expansions prior to WoD things still took a while. I'm using WoD because garrisons saw expansion with the Shipyard and was a "core" featured of the expansion even if it wasn't borrowed power.

[Nyel]

What happen to this extra points when 11.0 will launch?

We keep them? They can give us as much talent points as we have talents to spend points on available. As they're going to keep the talent trees around, five points more or less do not matter when a new expansion hits.

By restricting "new" talents at the bottom you can even prevent players from filling out those bars instantly than slowly over time when you level up in the new expansion.

That's the entire point of the talent tree revamp, isn't it? Having one system they can build upon. And so we don't even lose progression we made, it transitions flawlessly into the next expansion. One of the main problems of borrowed power was that your character was reset to zero each time a new expansion hit while losing all the progress that was made and invalidating two years of "work" by just that. This shouldn't be the case in the future, should it?