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    Quote Originally Posted by 13last View Post
    Negative clickbait reactions? This is why we're at this stage of the game, due to people like you making such light work of feedback. They did not listen to feedback with BFA and SL slightly(they delayed for a month), they were set in their ways and they went for it, and on top of that they just had a huge conflict within their company for abuse/etc and a developer went on twitter saying there's no work being done for 2 weeks. We haven't seen how new dragon riding works, Ion interviews from a month ago is him saying they are figuring it out still and etc, we don't know all the talent trees, sure you say its w.e mostly the same, sure but they gotta test them no? We don't really know endgame besides the M+ scene. Beta at this rate will be ~4 and a half months. June is gone, and they will not release late December. Man you're wearing rose tinted glasses if you think none of this smells wrong.
    The only thing that smells wrong is the constant whining by the same people expansion after expansion. Must be miserable. The sky isn't falling calm down. That 2 week of them of not working is obviously caught up and it was so damn long ago. We have a decent idea of what the endgame is going to be its not like it hasn't changed all too much in the last few years and lets say it does, they'll handle it and show us.


    Even if they delay the game its fine it happens lots of games get delayed now a days


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    Quote Originally Posted by 13last View Post
    Negative clickbait reactions? This is why we're at this stage of the game, due to people like you making such light work of feedback.
    The problem with the game is because of people like you that find any reason to be negative. Blizzard has listened to feedback. The problem is you want them to design the exact game you want where as they instead went with the game they thought was best after listening to feedback.

    Listen to yourself. You have no details about the expansion and you are already viewing it as negative. You are being negative just to be negative at this point. Dragonflight could solve all the problem you have with the game but you've already decided it sets a negative precedent and is something to be hated. So why does length of beta or a release date matter when you've already come to a conclusion?

    But sure people like me are the problem with the game. Lol.
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    i thought typically they dropped alphas and betas on a Thursday or Friday. my money is on July 7/8, they wont drop it on the 4th of July weekend, which would be next week

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    While I agree, that an argument can be made about Shadowlands being abandoned earlier, I think it's fair to assume that correlates to working from home.

    I mean, we're one week from July, and the expansion is supposed to come out before 31th of December, but since I think Blizzard doesn't wanna do a release on holidays, it's also fair to assume that any release after the 15th of December would be a disaster.

    So, let's say the expansion will release on the 20th of December, just to get the full six months time-frame, we still didn't get:

    • Preview of most Talent Trees, Professions Rework, Dragon Riding;
    • Datamining;
    • Alpha;
    • Beta;
    • Even the "pre" expansion book is slated to release in 2023;


    It's hard to not be concerned about it.


    I'm sad about all this because I think if Dragonflight fails as well, it'll be endgame. Shadowlands was terrible in every aspect IMO, even the general MMO feeling that WoW had for nearly 20 years was lost.

    Everyone seems to be playing this game for just a couple of weeks every patch for cheap lore and then quit, there's no more population-critical mass to sustain the MMO acronym.

    What happens if Dragonflight fails?

    I'm deeply concerned...
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    I'm skeptical they will make that 2022 deadline, expecting this to be delayed. We'll see just how far along things are once the Alpha drops (hopefully it's more than previous expacs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Shadowlands was terrible in every aspect IMO, even the general MMO feeling that WoW had for nearly 20 years was lost.
    Oh look it's the thing everyone says about a different expansion that just happens to coincide with when they, personally, started feeling like WoW was less of an MMO.

    There isn't a single post-WotLK expansion someone hasn't said this about. Shit I said it about Cataclysm.

    So, in short, it's nonsense. As is your ass-pull, evidence-free theory re: "critical mass" of population. Your "cheap lore" comment really just is the icing on a truly awful cake.
    "A youtuber said so."

    "... some wow experts being interviewed..."

    "According to researchers from Wowhead..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurhetemec View Post
    Oh look it's the thing everyone says about a different expansion that just happens to coincide with when they, personally, started feeling like WoW was less of an MMO.

    There isn't a single post-WotLK expansion someone hasn't said this about. Shit I said it about Cataclysm.

    So, in short, it's nonsense. As is your ass-pull, evidence-free theory re: "critical mass" of population. Your "cheap lore" comment really just is the icing on a truly awful cake.
    It's not a gameplay thing. SL's aesthetic, story, tone, lore, etc. just doesn't feel like WoW. It's easily the worst thing about the expansion (apart from lack of content).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    No it's going to get release come hell or high water. People begged for expansions with no systems or anything to do at end game that's required and this is what that is. It doesn't need to be delayed because it doesn't have any content.
    This is pretty much it. By the most conservative estimate the covenant abilities took at least 20% of Shadowlands testing just to balance 40+ combat abilities. And Torghast was at least 5%. They can knock off at least 6 weeks of testing based on that alone. That being said I'm so excited for the new crafting. FFXIV crafting is lit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    It's hard to not be concerned about it.
    Not at all. Unless you seriously overthink things and spend way to much time worrying about a video game that ultimately isn't going to change your life.

    Or put another way, the problem isn't WoW, it's you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Not at all. Unless you seriously overthink things and spend way to much time worrying about a video game that ultimately isn't going to change your life.

    Or put another way, the problem isn't WoW, it's you.
    Exactly. So many debbie downer, nasty nellie, gloomy gus people here. If it's so bad without even being launched, do us all a favor and don't play. This forum is just a tiny spec of the playerbase but yet I bet it's the most negative of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    Literally every place for online discussion is shitting on how content bare the expansion is that it can launch within six months without having even started alpha testing. It's not just here.
    I think there's a world of difference between expressing concern/curiosity at how much content it may have versus pretending like you definitively *know* and saying something like, "it doesn't have any content."

    You're conflating your intentional pessimism with people wondering if it will be short on content at launch. Disingenuous at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    It doesn't have any content.
    Just like every pre-borrowed power expansion had no content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    Literally every place for online discussion is shitting on how content bare the expansion is that it can launch within six months without having even started alpha testing. It's not just here.
    The similarity of Dragonflight to WotLK should be more apparent to everyone. They might as well said "You want WotLK so bad we'll emulate WotLK" Wrath didn't have any newfangled game modes & it was the last time there were crafted BIS items. Plus if you told me they've been planning an old world revamp since BFA but because of covid they decided to through this filler expansion together to buy themselves two more years to work on that.

    But I wouldn't say it's pessimism: I'm looking forward to Dragonflight, mainly because it can't possibly have less content than Shadowlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    But I wouldn't say it's pessimism: I'm looking forward to Dragonflight, mainly because it can't possibly have less content than Shadowlands
    It is entirely pessimism. You just called the expansion filler and you don't even know any of the details about it. It is also strange for you to think it will have more content then Shadowlands when WotLK had less or any "newfangled game modes". So is Dragonflight not actually like Wrath?
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  15. #58855
    What do y'all think the pre-patch event is going to be?

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    People keep saying "Oh, Shadowlands didn't have content! Dragonflight doesn't have content".

    But what do you guys actually want out of an expansion? I can't wrap my head around those arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melorandor View Post
    What do y'all think the pre-patch event is going to be?
    Well, surely it will have something to do with those weird constructions quests that were added. Dunno what the event that kicks it off is gonna be.

    My hope is that there will be Dracthyr in Season 4, and Dracthyr arriving in Azeroth is what is gonna get us to look for the Dragon Isles, but that's hopium

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    My hope is that there will be Dracthyr in Season 4, and Dracthyr arriving in Azeroth is what is gonna get us to look for the Dragon Isles, but that's hopium
    Man I must have missed the new class and race they tested in 9.2.5 PTR.

  18. #58858
    Agreed, Shadowlands felt very alien compared to past expansion in regards to the Warcraft feel. Even Mists of Pandaria felt more Warcraft than Shadowlands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    Literally every place for online discussion is shitting on how content bare the expansion is that it can launch within six months without having even started alpha testing. It's not just here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People keep saying "Oh, Shadowlands didn't have content! Dragonflight doesn't have content".

    But what do you guys actually want out of an expansion? I can't wrap my head around those arguments.

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    Well, surely it will have something to do with those weird constructions quests that were added. Dunno what the event that kicks it off is gonna be.

    My hope is that there will be Dracthyr in Season 4, and Dracthyr arriving in Azeroth is what is gonna get us to look for the Dragon Isles, but that's hopium
    I don't get the point of Onnesa and the new stable stuff and how it will relate to the pre-patch event.

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    Pre-patch for my money will be the isles unveil themselves and we're preparing for the trip over/expedition.

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    It's amazing how many posters here work behind the scenes at Blizzard and no exactly where they are in terms of Dragonflight's development.

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