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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Well there's always the mousepad and the artbook.
    Mouse pad is usually shit, but the artbook is definitely good for those who appreciate concept art.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Well there's always the mousepad and the artbook.
    Truu, but both aren't worth the extra 40 euros, especially as the artbook usually gets posted on the internet anyways.

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    The backlash of "It's too soon it's gonna be rushed" just proves to me that it's a lose-lose situation for Blizzard either way. I wasn't expecting this to come out this year myself but I also know that if this was announced for Spring or Summer 2023 - there would be just as much negativity about "Omg we can't wait that long, longest wait between expansions ever" and so on.

    Don't get me wrong, I also have hesitation and hope that this won't come out rushed, but I also know that you can't hold something off forever either. And I guess lackluster launches is kind of a thing right? I mean thinking back I feel like most expansions were in a rough/questionable state at release. Wotlk didn't even bother to do an original first raid and re-used Naxx, MoP went overboard on the dailies and Legion for all the good it did in later patches was honestly not that great on launch. So I'm sure Dragonflight will have some issues at launch as well but I hope without any major systems like in the last few expansions that maybe, just maybe they won't need as much of a beta period to get things right. Talents will be a big one but let's hope outside of that they are working on things that will keep us entertained that won't necessarily require a lot of tinkering to get right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    This is why people say you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.
    Because I challenge your flawed comments? You said it isn't pessimism while being pessimestic. You don't know details about the expansion yet call it filler. You say Dragonflight is akin to WotLK in content but Shadowlands objectively had more content then WotLK. The reason why you and others always label me as arguing for the sake of arguing is because they don't like being called out on their own BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    The indications are everywhere, you just have to look at Shadowlands. Maybe I will be proven wrong, and if I am, I'll be pleasantly surprised. It may shock you but I actually want the game to be good. The problem is the precedent set with Shadowlands.
    So Dragonflight is bad because Shadowlands is bad? Even though you don't know details about Dragonflight to call it bad. You don't actually want the game to be good if you are calling anything bad automatically.
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  5. #58925
    Quote Originally Posted by Zantera View Post
    The backlash of "It's too soon it's gonna be rushed" just proves to me that it's a lose-lose situation for Blizzard either way.
    I think given how little they have to test that they feel they can get it done and have a profitable year.

    They have new zones, which will reuse a ton of assets, but for the most part can be player-tested to find any bugs.

    They have a new class, but its rediculously limited and has very little that isn't a copy from other classes. Should be very easy to test.

    They have talent and proffession revamps, which look to be MOSTLY the same stuff we have now, packaged slightly differently. Should be quick to test.


    Dragon-Gliding....... Don't know enough about it to judge. So maybe that will take time, assuming they spent alot of resources to make it something interesting.




    Heck, they could even score big if they added little things into the initial offering and worked on good raids after that. Give more body options to the new race (think hunched vs tall orcs, but dracthyr that are more dragon-like or more humanoid like), give people the ability to customize them in alot of ways that lets people pick what they want them to look like.

    Do that, and make the graphics good and you could get away with a successful new class/race (throw in a tank spec!)

    Then take the talent trees and make them feel like your character can be really powerful at 70. Remove most of the base abilities from the specs, put in 4-6 more talents that allow you to scale different parts of your class/spec so people excited to get to play with the new trees.


    Do that and you'd have a success. Its still possible and wouldn't take that much work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    I think given how little they have to test that they feel they can get it done and have a profitable year.

    They have new zones, which will reuse a ton of assets, but for the most part can be player-tested to find any bugs.

    They have a new class, but its rediculously limited and has very little that isn't a copy from other classes. Should be very easy to test.
    Ok, and how do we know these when all we have are few second snippets from the reveal event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    They have talent and proffession revamps, which look to be MOSTLY the same stuff we have now, packaged slightly differently. Should be quick to test.
    Again, talents may not be new, but combinations are. We are now basically allowed to take entire rows of current talents, plus all the other stuff, old and new. Talents may need the most testing here.
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  7. #58927
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Ok, and how do we know these when all we have are few second snippets from the reveal event?
    Because they are lazy made belf copies and so their class mechanic must be a lazy copy, too!!!!111111

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Because I challenge your flawed comments? You said it isn't pessimism while being pessimestic. You don't know details about the expansion yet call it filler. You say Dragonflight is akin to WotLK in content but Shadowlands objectively had more content then WotLK. The reason why you and others always label me as arguing for the sake of arguing is because they don't like being called out on their own BS.

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    So Dragonflight is bad because Shadowlands is bad? Even though you don't know details about Dragonflight to call it bad. You don't actually want the game to be good if you are calling anything bad automatically.
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

    You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.

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    So when we getting Season 4, given a December or even November release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

    You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.
    Where are you getting the POTENIAL for it being bad? Just because in your opinion the previous expansion was bad therefore this one will be bad? Thats pretty messed up logic. In your logic I can say (insert last major holiday) sucked so the next one will suck? Or the last baby born into the family was ugly as a mud fence so the next one will be too? You have seen very very little so know very very little. So quit saying the sky is falling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad.
    You said the indications of Dragonflight being bad are everywhere. Potential wasn't a part of this until you got called out. You predicting an outcome is you indicating you don't want the game to be good and calling it bad even with out knowing the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticon View Post
    So when we getting Season 4, given a December or even November release?
    As soon as the Alliance Hall of Fame closes for Sepulcher. So 42 more kills. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ga...ction=ALLIANCE
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

    You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.
    WoD was bad as well you know. And did not have even a fraction of Shadowlands' excuses for being bad.

  13. #58933
    US 9.2.5 PTR forums no longer up. Is today the day?

  14. #58934
    Look I'm pretty excited for Dragonflight but it's understandable considering a lot of players' reactions to Shadowlands that people are apprehensive.

    For me personally Blizzard has a lot of good 'reasons' for Shadowlands lacking. Whether or not those reasons actually apply, who knows, but I believe it. Frankly even if the 'reasons' are just excuses I still enjoyed Shadowlands a hell of a lot more than WoD.

    But considering Shadowlands people have a right to be apprehensive. (Note that being apprehensive is different than the people saying Dragonflight is shit/has no content/whatever or people telling people who are excited that it's their 'fault' Blizzard is how they are now.)

    As an aside people who don't want to support Blizzard anymore after all of their sexual harassment/coverups is a whole different story, and completely justified. Wouldn't think those people would still be posting about WoW though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexjimithing View Post
    When I stop enjoying the work of a given company I simply stop playing their games/giving them money.

    I mean if you want to spend your time and emotional energy ‘hating’ them and posting about them online, while using ‘cringe’ as an adjective, you do you I guess.
    Does it truly take that much energy to point out obvious flaws?

  16. #58936
    Quote Originally Posted by fcwar View Post
    US 9.2.5 PTR forums no longer up. Is today the day?
    Thursday is usually the test realm days, so we could see alpha drops tomorrow.

    Realistically, I am hopeful that Dragonflight will be a good expansion. The initial release patch is in a good place to launch, we get some updated systems for things that long needed it, a new class/race, we will see the story and exploration of the Dragon Isles and they will release the first raid.

    I think this method is giving them a better baseline to put down so that way they can add a new system of sorts (Be it a borrowed power, or Torghast/Mage Tower experience) in one of the .X patches. FFXIV for the most part does this with their expansions, focusing on the story first, then adding new systems and additions in the subsequent patches.

  17. #58937
    In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.
    But I'm super hyped about Dragonflight since it was announced and I'm still in a state of optimism now that it's coming even earlier than we thought it would. I'm just in an apprehensive state due to no alpha yet, but maybe that's coming .... soon. :P

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    Here’s hoping for some new tidbits on Evoker and dungeon previews. It’s nice to know what to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.
    What an excellent 5Head take from our resident Ersula. What a coincidence, that in one of the most notorious DF hater mind there is no place for people just being optimistic and happy about next expac since the start. Cuz we can't have these, eh?
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