Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[The Stormbringer]

You said the indications of Dragonflight being bad are everywhere. Potential wasn't a part of this until you got called out. You predicting an outcome is you indicating you don't want the game to be good and calling it bad even with out knowing the details.

This is flat out reaching. I already said I would be happy to be proven wrong and for the game to be good. Why? Because that gives people a better experience and shows Blizzard can learn from their mistakes in and before Shadowlands. I have no reason to want it to be bad.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

WOTLK beta is out, DF next week?

More like next month. They're gonna give LKC chance to be tested before everyone leaves to go test DF.

[Ersula]

What an excellent 5Head take from our resident Ersula. What a coincidence, that in one of the most notorious DF hater mind there is no place for people just being optimistic and happy about next expac since the start. Cuz we can't have these, eh?

Okay, clearly there's the third category of people that turn into vicious little brats the moment you criticize anything. Thank you for demonstrating.

[Makabreska]

Okay, clearly there's the third category of people that turn into vicious little brats the moment you criticize anything. Thank you for demonstrating.

"Fair criticism" "Ersula"

You can pick only one.

[Nyel]

No it's going to get release come hell or high water. People begged for expansions with no systems or anything to do at end game that's required and this is what that is. It doesn't need to be delayed because it doesn't have any content.

I mean this is kinda true. Raids, dungeons and open world zones are the bare minimum of content in every expansion and we get that. But besides that there is absolutely nothing in Dragonflight. There is no progression system, there is no additional type of content, there's just nothing. The last expansion that had this little stuff was WoD and we know how that ended.

People will be bored to death by reaching max level and having no further progression anymore besides getting a higher gear score. People will abandon Dragonflight faster than any expansion before by just how shallow and devoid of "new" types of content it is. I know some are praising the back to the roots approach and it's good for the game, but not when there is exactly zero progress anymore. I am sure people that welcome the less-is-more-approach now will hate it after 4 weeks of DF because of how incredibly boring the expansion will be when there's no progress at all.

I'm still amazed how they're trying to sh*t out this expansion within the next 5 months when there has been zero communication about it in the last two months. Why were they helding back information when they are so far ahead? Something's not right. For sure it helps that the talent trees are 99% copy and paste from what we have now and Dragonriding is just restricted flying with a nice coat, but 5 months from now on until launch? Good luck with that.

[Atriel]

I mean this is kinda true. Raids, dungeons and open world zones are the bare minimum of content in every expansion and we get that. But besides that there is absolutely nothing in Dragonflight. There is no progression system, there is no additional type of content, there's just nothing. The last expansion that had this little stuff was WoD and we know how that ended.

People will be bored to death by reaching max level and having no further progression anymore besides getting a higher gear score. People will abandon Dragonflight faster than any expansion before by just how shallow and devoid of "new" types of content it is. I know some are praising the back to the roots approach and it's good for the game, but not when there is exactly zero progress anymore. I am sure people that welcome the less-is-more-approach now will hate it after 4 weeks of DF because of how incredibly boring the expansion will be when there's no progress at all.

WoD had nothing in it by later patches. Not at launch. Dragonflight is poised to set the base game up, which it should. Story, exploration, collector drive with Dragon Riding (Arguably this is the progression system since you need to train your dragon to reach new, higher areas in the zones). Dungeons and raiding to keep people busy. If the expansion patch is basic, they can push out the .X content patches faster, and we could always see new systems in those too.

[Dracullus]

I am sure people that welcome the less-is-more-approach now will hate it after 4 weeks of DF because of how incredibly boring the expansion will be when there's no progress at all.

Oh, hi Nyel. Did you already solve problem of having post max level progression without having borrowed power or forcing people to grind ton of old shit later on? Or still stuck in limbo?

[Hitei]

OOOOOOF!!! Bold statement, considering their last game was F76.

It's not a bold statement at all. Did you play Skyrim at release? Or god forbid, NV in like the first year it was out?

[Makabreska]

It's not a bold statement at all. Did you play Skyrim at release? Or god forbid, NV in like the first year it was out?

So these games outdid F76 with it's T poses, falling under ground, crashes, graphic glitches, rollbacks, guns not shooting, perks not working, models bugging, item weight not working and many more? And let's not forget the duffel bag scam and credit card info leak. You really call that game the most stable and bug free?

People will be bored to death by reaching max level and having no further progression anymore besides getting a higher gear score. People will abandon Dragonflight faster than any expansion before by just how shallow and devoid of "new" types of content it is. I know some are praising the back to the roots approach and it's good for the game, but not when there is exactly zero progress anymore. I am sure people that welcome the less-is-more-approach now will hate it after 4 weeks of DF because of how incredibly boring the expansion will be when there's no progress at all.

I know at least one guy whose gonna hate it, no matter what.

[huth]

No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.

You mean the history where Legion came after WoD?

[Nyel]

Oh, hi Nyel. Did you already solve problem of having post max level progression without having borrowed power or forcing people to grind ton of old shit later on? Or still stuck in limbo?

Yes and I already told you days and weeks ago. Instead of copying stuff like Dragonriding from other games they should rather copy their horizontal progression and improve that.

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WoD had nothing in it by later patches. Not at launch. Dragonflight is poised to set the base game up, which it should. Story, exploration, collector drive with Dragon Riding (Arguably this is the progression system since you need to train your dragon to reach new, higher areas in the zones). Dungeons and raiding to keep people busy. If the expansion patch is basic, they can push out the .X content patches faster, and we could always see new systems in those too.

What? WoD has exactly the same stuff going as Dragonflight: dungeons (with different difficulties), open world elite zones and raids. As of now Dragonflight offers exactly the same kind of content as WoD and nothing more. I didn't count Garrisons because they're trivial, but if you're counting Dragonriding as "content", so can we count Garrisons.

By the way, they never added a completely new progression system in a patch. They iterated on their previous expansion feature systems and improved / tweaked them, but they never went out and said "hey, here we have a completely new system for you that we kept away from the expansion feature list just because we could".

[Atriel]

What? WoD has exactly the same stuff going as Dragonflight: dungeons (with different difficulties), open world elite zones and raids. As of now Dragonflight offers exactly the same kind of content as WoD and nothing more.

Except WoD didn't have a new race or class to play. Or a system like the Dragon Riding. The overhaul on Professions as well offers a lot of get out into the world to try to get new recipes and become the best craftsperson on top of the new cosmetics.

[Nyel]

I know at least one guy whose gonna hate it, no matter what.

Not hating, just calling out how trivial and shallow Dragonflight is.

[Makabreska]

Yes and I already told you days and weeks ago. Instead of copying stuff like Dragonriding from other games they should rather copy their horizontal progression and improve that.

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What? WoD has exactly the same stuff going as Dragonflight: dungeons (with different difficulties), open world elite zones and raids. As of now Dragonflight offers exactly the same kind of content as WoD and nothing more.

So it had an extra class/race, revamped talent system, new flying system and M+ (pls don't compare Challenge Mode to M+)? And these are all things we know w/o Alpha even starting.

[Nyel]

Except WoD didn't have a new race or class to play. Or a system like the Dragon Riding. The overhaul on Professions as well offers a lot of get out into the world to try to get new recipes and become the best craftsperson on top of the new cosmetics.

Okay, how does a new class help players have fun when there is zero max level progression?

Professions as content now? Okay, I see the arguments are not getting better in that regard.

[Makabreska]

Not hating, just calling out how trivial and shallow Dragonflight is.

Nope, you are hating. As always. You got minimal info about DF from the reveal and like 1-2 blog posts and yet you compare it with 100% confidence to a full expansion from the past.

[Atriel]

Okay, how does a new class help players have fun when there is zero max level progression?

Professions as content now? Okay, I see the arguments are not getting better in that regard.

Ion did say there was another progression system in the game that they did not reveal, we will have to see what that may be, won't we?

[Nyel]

So it had an extra class/race, revamped talent system, new flying system and M+ (pls don't compare Challenge Mode to M+)? And these are all things we know w/o Alpha even starting.

Read again. I said WoD offered the same kind of content that Dragonflight has to offer and that's a fact: dungeons, raids and open world zones.

A new class is no content. Restricted flying is no content. And a revamped talent system isn't content either. Warfronts were content. Island Expeditions. Torghast. Terrible content, yes, but at least content. Heck, Covenants and all their intricacies were more or less content. Dragonflight has nothing like that. No, professions are not content. No, revamped talents are not content. Those are features, if at all.

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Ion did say there was another progression system in the game that they did not reveal, we will have to see what that may be, won't we?

Are you referring to the new Renown thing? Because I don't remember Ion saying they have another progression system they didn't want to announce yet.

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Nope, you are hating. As always. You got minimal info about DF from the reveal and like 1-2 blog posts and yet you compare it with 100% confidence to a full expansion from the past.

I compare the kind of content available. We know the type of content Dragonflight will contain and more importantly, the type of content Dragonflight will not contain.

[Makabreska]

A new class is no content.

Ok, this is just hilarious at this point. A new class that people play during end game is not content

I compare the kind of content available. We know the type of content Dragonflight will contain and more importantly, the type of content Dragonflight will not contain.

And here is your problem you still do not get. There is no available content for DF. Game didn't even start Alpha. You do not know how it will look on launch and what will be added there and in later patch. Yet you are sooo confident about a complete shape of the game from the reveal snippets.

[Ilir]

I compare the kind of content available. We know the type of content Dragonflight will contain and more importantly, the type of content Dragonflight will not contain.

?????

Raids are still there, mythic + are still there, dungeons are still there. Mogs are still there. Mounts are still there (although in a new form I guess).

What other content ? Torgy ? People hated it.
Island expe ? people hated it.
Horrific vision ? I think people didn't really like it.
Pet battle ? Still there and it's not the most popular thing.
Scenarios ? It wasn't that popular either.

So what content are you talking about ?