Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

My point was in response to your "Legion in WoD or BfA camp". Literally made no sense because that wasn't the discussion. Likewise, should have known better when every post you make is vehemently defending the current product against any sort of criticism.

You can't fit single sentence into context of whole post? Not surprising if you see talking about pros and cons (it will blow your mind, but every single WoW iteration has plenty of both) as "defending current product against any sort of criticism". Sure buddy, DF has no content, enjoy your stay here.

[Santandame]

You can't fit single sentence into context of whole post? Not surprising if you see talking about pros and cons (it will blow your mind, but every single WoW iteration has plenty of both) as "defending current product against any sort of criticism". Sure buddy, DF has no content, enjoy your stay here.

No one has said DF has no content. But sure, let's exaggerate events so they can be warped to fit your agenda. Appreciate the sentiment however. At this point in time, it's looking like I'll be enjoying my stay from the safety of 10.3.

[Dracullus]

No one has said DF has no content. But sure, let's exaggerate events so they can be warped to fit your agenda. Appreciate the sentiment however. At this point in time, it's looking like I'll be enjoying my stay from the safety of 10.3.

I'm sorry I exaggerated your

But DF is still absolutely bereft of content compared to the previous three expansions.

comment by saying you think DF has no content. Especially since you were never exxagerating my posts. I'm deeply ashamed.

Also, holy shit, stop bickering. I've barely seen any useful/interesting posts over the last few weeks.

There's very little speculation/hype going on and people are once again just focusing on the past.

If there's nothing to discuss, it's okay to not discuss anything. Dead thread > garbage thread.

Ok bird, I'll stop out from respect for you.

Still this is sorta kinda shitpost thread that is most active when we have no idea what's coming next.

Do you think we have any chances for first public build for datamining this week? Or everything is too out of ordinary this time?

[Marlamin]

Still this is sorta kinda shitpost thread that is most active when we have no idea what's coming next.

That's fair, but maybe there could be less shitposts.

Do you think we have any chances for first public build for datamining this week? Or everything is too out of ordinary this time?

No idea, we're off the usual timeframe when it comes to things so I can't make any educated guesses. Gut feeling still says July for the first public build, but genuinely no clue. I'm also usually more on high alert/informed around this time but seeing I'm not planning on publicly investing a ton of time into 10.0, I'm taking it easy.

[Santandame]

I'm sorry I exaggerated your



comment by saying you think DF has no content. Especially since you were never exxagerating my posts. I'm deeply ashamed.



Ok bird, I'll stop out from respect for you.

Still this is sorta kinda shitpost thread that is most active when we have no idea what's coming next.

Do you think we have any chances for first public build for datamining this week? Or everything is too out of ordinary this time?

I mean, you have literally exaggerated it once again. Clearly reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Bereft COMPARED to Legion, BfA and SL which it is. WoD had content, just not a lot of it. The same for Dragonflight. I shouldn't need to repeat it but you have proven multiple times to struggle with it. Dragonflight has content, just not a lot of it, especially compared to Legion, BfA and even SL.

No mention of DF having NO content. But you seem to love to embellish.

You'll get there one day Dracullus, one day.

[Marcellus1986]

I'm sorry I exaggerated your



comment by saying you think DF has no content. Especially since you were never exxagerating my posts. I'm deeply ashamed.



Ok bird, I'll stop out from respect for you.

Still this is sorta kinda shitpost thread that is most active when we have no idea what's coming next.

Do you think we have any chances for first public build for datamining this week? Or everything is too out of ordinary this time?

People like Towelliee were speculating July 13th for alpha… I can’t see them launching alpha until July. This is last week of June for them to do it, but I’d say any hype they can generate is good for the game as a whole.

[micwini]

How about for once you provide an actual counter argument instead of making pointless passive aggressive comments whenever someone has anything critical to say towards the game and company you clearly revere.

The only point to his posts are to increase the number of posts he has. Nothing else. Do not engage.

[rhorle]

A class is not content. A class is a feature. And I'd say BfA's allied races have been its biggest selling point by the sheer amount of new races we got.

A class is most certainly content. Anything can arbitrarily be called a feature and exclude it from content if that is the goal.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The only point to his posts are to increase the number of posts he has. Nothing else. Do not engage.

Thats a big assumption of you, no he isn't doing it to increase his post count wtf.

[Sondrelk]

We really don't know that. Dragonriding is a feature, yes. If it's major, what it's used for, how it works - we have no clue. We don't know how massive it will be or if it's just pathfinder 4.0 in yet another form that tries to distract players of what it really is: restricted flying.

By the way, I think two new classes and two new races (TBC), a new class and a new profession and glyphs (WotLK) and two new races and an entirely revamped world (Cataclysm) were pretty big features we got even in the first expansions.



That's what you suppose. As said above, we simply don't know yet. "Unlock areas you previously couldn't reach" is peak vague. I think we all hope it's as intricate and in depth as you say, but they need to clarify that.

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It's exactly that. There's almost nothing new to be found. I find it hilarious how players treat this mostly visual change of talents and spell book into talent trees as the new holy grail. It's not. It might be good for the future of the game, but it's really a minor feature overall, by just how basic it really is.

The sheer fact that Dragonriding improves as you progress endgame puts it at the bare minimum at the level of content provided by covenant teleportation mechanics, and given its actual movement mechanics it's at least an improvement on running mindlessly in circles around the main hub like WoW players are wont to do.

Beyond that though, we do have the developers talking about the possibility of using Dragonriding in the context of challenges like races now that's it's an actual mechanic, and there is a feature of Dragonriding relating to customizing your dragon, meaning likely challenges related to rarer appearances, so there is tangible content to Dragonriding beyond just being something fun.

[Makabreska]

A class is not content. A class is a feature. And I'd say BfA's allied races have been its biggest selling point by the sheer amount of new races we got.

You still at it? Still with mental gymnastics to peddle "DF is light on content"? First you come out of the wood works, saying that we still should have borrowed powers (I knew we will have andies that will instantly start glorifying them), now you diminish Dracthyrs additions with asinine rhetoric. Fortunately, you denying them being content has zero merit.

[Santandame]

You still at it? Still with mental gymnastics to peddle "DF is light on content"? First you come out of the wood works, saying that we still should have borrowed powers (I knew we will have andies that will instantly start glorifying them), now you diminish Dracthyrs additions with asinine rhetoric. Fortunately, you denying them being content has zero merit.

It isn't mental gymnastics to say Dragonflight is light on content. It's pretty damn accurate statement to make.

It would be mental gymnastics to argue otherwise.

[micwini]

It isn't mental gymnastics to say Dragonflight is light on content. It's pretty damn accurate statement to make.

It would be mental gymnastics to argue otherwise.

You're right. But it is quite mental gymnastics to say that a new class is not content.

[Sondrelk]

It isn't mental gymnastics to say Dragonflight is light on content. It's pretty damn accurate statement to make.

It would be mental gymnastics to argue otherwise.

By this logic any expansion prior to BfA is light on content, with Legion just barely scraping by with grinding artifacts, and not having anything like Islands, Warfronts, or Torghast.

Just on the barest surface level DF will have as much content as Legion, and likely even better quality given the lack of developers distractions like needing to justify Torghast or making more Islands for islands expeditions.

[rhorle]

By this logic any expansion prior to BfA is light on content, with Legion just barely scraping by with grinding artifacts, and not having anything like Islands, Warfronts, or Torghast.

Expansions prior to MoP were light on content compared to post-MoP. So I'm not sure what you are making the point you think you are. These are all relative comparisons. MoP, and prior expansions, still had content to keep people engaged but recent expansions just upped the standard. BfA switched out Order halls for islands and warfronts. It is also silly to say that DF will have at minimum as much content as Legion when Legion had all of the Order Halls and their various artifact and class content. We aren't getting anywhere near that in Dragonflight from what has been announced.

[Santandame]

By this logic any expansion prior to BfA is light on content, with Legion just barely scraping by with grinding artifacts, and not having anything like Islands, Warfronts, or Torghast.

Just on the barest surface level DF will have as much content as Legion, and likely even better quality given the lack of developers distractions like needing to justify Torghast or making more Islands for islands expeditions.

Legion introduced groundbreaking features that have lasted up until this day, those being Mythic+ and World Quests. That's slightly different than continuing to carry those additions over.

Legion also had a new class, order halls which were beloved, artifacts which changed the way you played your class by adding new abilities and playstyles as well as adding on tons of cosmetics and quests tied to that, a complete overhaul of pretty much every spec, Suramar styled campaign and questing which you continue to see this day in the form of max level campaigns, a completely new honour system, legiondaries, fishing being made into actual worthwhile content, Dalaran Underbelly PvP content, the introduction of micro holidays, the introduction of mega dungeons.

Then in patch content we got Mage Tower, The Deaths of Chromie, amongst much more.

To say Legion scraped by is completely disingenuous. There is a reason the expansion is so beloved. It is literally the most groundbreaking and revolutionary expansion to this day.

[Nyel]

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Thank you, someone finally putting a rest to the argument they didn't show everything major during the announcement.

[Dracullus]

Thank you, someone finally putting a rest to the argument they didn't show everything major during the announcement.

You realize this isn't annoucement?

[Nyel]

You're right. But it is quite mental gymnastics to say that a new class is not content.

Because it's a feature and not content. Content is stuff to do. A class is not something "you do". You do stuff with your class. You don't do your class. That's the main difference between content and a feature.

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By this logic any expansion prior to BfA is light on content, with Legion just barely scraping by with grinding artifacts, and not having anything like Islands, Warfronts, or Torghast.

Just on the barest surface level DF will have as much content as Legion, and likely even better quality given the lack of developers distractions like needing to justify Torghast or making more Islands for islands expeditions.

Not really though?

Legion still introduced Mythic+ and world quests. Content that is still in Dragonflight but has been pretty diminished and worn off over the years. Both are not as exciting as they were back in 2016. They are still there, but they are base game content that is seen as mandatory nowadays. Similar to daily quests which were brand new in 2007 but are base game content now already (and nobody would question that, right?).

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The sheer fact that Dragonriding improves as you progress endgame puts it at the bare minimum at the level of content provided by covenant teleportation mechanics, and given its actual movement mechanics it's at least an improvement on running mindlessly in circles around the main hub like WoW players are wont to do.

Beyond that though, we do have the developers talking about the possibility of using Dragonriding in the context of challenges like races now that's it's an actual mechanic, and there is a feature of Dragonriding relating to customizing your dragon, meaning likely challenges related to rarer appearances, so there is tangible content to Dragonriding beyond just being something fun.

I never thought about calling Covenant teleportation mechanics - or anything fluff-related to Covenants - content. At least I never said that is content. When I refer to Covenants I usually do so because of a) their questline and b) their skills, soulbinds etc. which altered your gameplay quite a lot.

"The possibility" doesn't equal that we will have that. Not saying it won't come, but they have given us nothing in the last weeks to support their announcement. I just find Dragonriding - based on what we know as of now - incredibly dull. But that's due to how they presented it. I'm not denying that it could be fun and a good addition to the game in the end. But we're barely there yet to draw that conclusion.

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You realize this isn't annoucement?

Yeah, it's Blizzcon. And yeah, I know Legion was announced at Gamescom.

[Dracullus]

Yeah, it's Blizzcon. And yeah, I know Legion was announced at Gamescom.

Then how is it "putting a rest to the argument they didn't show everything major during the announcement"?