Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hitei]

"Based on what I heard" We all saw the dragonflight presentation. And I'm not the first person to point out its features are extremely sparse. For future reference, if you're going to try to gaslight me don't do it over something half this forum has also been saying.

Sparse compared to what?

Wotlk:
-New class
-New profession
-Achievements
-2 new BGs
-Barber shop?
-Vehicle system, I guess if you want to count it as a 'feature'

MoP:
-New Class
-New Race
-Talent revamp
-Scenarios
-Pet Battles
-Challenge mode dungeons

Legion:
-New Class
-Artifact weapons and their progression system
-Mythic+
-World quests
-Class Hall campaigns
-New honor system
-Transmog update

Dragonflight:
-New Class
-New Race
-Talent revamp
-Dragonriding and its progression system
-Profession update and new gearing/progression system
-Reputation-Faction campaigns

[Gifdwarf]

The expansion that has the largest continent since Wrath, and a new race and class, and a talent revamp, is somehow the smallest expansion ever when we have gotten 2 expansions without any races or classes, and continents half the size of Northrend. This thread needs to seriously do a better job at not feeding the trolls.

[rhorle]

Cope: This is the most atypical the testing cycle has ever been. And based on what we've seen Dragonflight is the smallest expansion ever.

It is strange for you to call it cope when you went from hating the expansion when first announced to eagerly wanting any bit of information you can get about the expansion. Dragonflight is objectively not the smallest expansion ever. TBC would likely keep that title by miles.

[Chickat]

We still do need the deep dives though. With the Gamescom reveal, we had Blizzcon a few months later for a more rounded reveal. So when should we expect the full reveal for Dragonflight? Like, dungeon, raid, some spoiler for the next tier.

Sometimes before alpha stats blizzard invited creators to come play and record some footage of the game and do interviews. Usually they give lets sat 100 wow creators a presentation like they would show at BlizzCon, and then they let people play the game while doing interviews all day. Then there is an embargo for a week or two and they let people release their info together a week or two before alpha starts. I think that has happened a few times.

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Sounds more like a you-problem tbh. I never really had any issue in Zereth Mortis besides I think the first day and the first day they had that world boss available. Also putting them into a seperate instance would literally make them one-boss raids instead of you know, world bosses haha.

Yeah, Im on a high pop server and I have never had world boss lag. Maybe they are on a full realm and this was prime time or something, but I find it hard to believe it lags everytime.

[tumbleweed010]

Saying Dracthyr/Evoker is a new race and class is pretty disingenuous, especially from Blizzard, since it's really just a class with the race being a reskin + combat form you can add some customization to, but you can't play it for any other class. If you could deeply customize Druid forms, that wouldn't be considered a new race - Dracthyr shouldn't really be either as long as they're locked into Evokers only or Evokers are locked into them only.

Regardless, I don't see how this could be considered a small expansion when it has:
- Revamped Talents system to have a better structure for future design, both for additions & possible borrowed powers that could be added per expansion
- Revamped Professions
- Revamped/Upgraded UI
- New type of flying
- Reputation updates

And all/most of these are more than just design updates, they're complete overhauls of the systems to modernize them.

On a whole, this expansion is looking much stronger than Shadowlands just based on the info we have, but I feel it's incredibly disrespectful to the community that we were told Alpha was "Soon, not Soon TM", and that we'd see talent trees & the Dracthyr art blog post soon, and after 2 months since reveal we've only seen talent trees for 2 classes.

[AngerFork]

Legion:
-New Class
-Artifact weapons and their progression system
-Class Hall campaigns
-New honor system
-Transmog update

You forgot a couple of big ones here: the World Quest system & Mythic+ Dungeons, both of which have been fairly large additions to WoW since inception. Not that I disagree with your overall point, DF looks to be anything but sparse. But with those two items added on to what you already have for Legion, I'd argue Legion was bigger overall than what DF looks to be.

[Forum Man]

You forgot a couple of big ones here: the World Quest system & Mythic+ Dungeons, both of which have been fairly large additions to WoW since inception. Not that I disagree with your overall point, DF looks to be anything but sparse. But with those two items added on to what you already have for Legion, I'd argue Legion was bigger overall than what DF looks to be.

Legion was the dream expansion for base systems that are now successfully being built upon and I'm ready to see what's next

[rhorle]

Saying Dracthyr/Evoker is a new race and class is pretty disingenuous, especially from Blizzard, since it's really just a class with the race being a reskin + combat form you can add some customization to, but you can't play it for any other class.

That is a silly statement. It is still a new race and class being added to the game. Where has it ever been stated that a race needs to be open to more then one class in order to be a race? Druid forms wouldn't be considered new because they already exist in the game. It would still be new customization options for them as we saw with Legion and the few other times they got new forms/glyphs. Drac'thyr don't exist so they are indeed a new race.

[Nymrohd]

That is a silly statement. It is still a new race and class being added to the game. Where has it ever been stated that a race needs to be open to more then one class in order to be a race? Druid forms wouldn't be considered new because they already exist in the game. It would still be new customization options for them as we saw with Legion and the few other times they got new forms/glyphs. Drac'thyr don't exist so they are indeed a new race.

I mean given that if you don't enjoy Evoker you have no other way to play Dracthyr, it is very limited as a race.

[Makabreska]

"Based on what I heard" We all saw the dragonflight presentation. And I'm not the first person to point out its features are extremely sparse. For future reference, if you're going to try to gaslight me don't do it over something half this forum has also been saying.

Not sure if you noticed, but no one here treats you seriously. Not after gems like "200 encrypted files? AR's confirmed! One file per heritage armour piece!"

[Hitei]

You forgot a couple of big ones here: the World Quest system & Mythic+ Dungeons, both of which have been fairly large additions to WoW since inception. Not that I disagree with your overall point, DF looks to be anything but sparse. But with those two items added on to what you already have for Legion, I'd argue Legion was bigger overall than what DF looks to be.

You're right.

[Dracullus]

I mean given that if you don't enjoy Evoker you have no other way to play Dracthyr, it is very limited as a race.

Dracthyr doesn't really feel like new race for me, it's more like Human and Belf got unique hero class with separate customization. Yes, just like Demon Hunters.

[Hitei]

Dracthyr doesn't really feel like new race for me, it's more like Human and Belf got unique hero class with separate customization. Yes, just like Demon Hunters.

I'd agree if we were just talking about Visage, but the Dracthyr form seems to be in line with current full-fledged races for customization, like with post-SL variety of options. I also strongly suspect that the only reason they locked them to Evoker was for the lore coherence of them having not dealt with typical adventurers and classes, and that there will probably be an unlock in 10.1.5 to 10.2.5, after mortals have been running around the Dragon Isles with them for a while.

[Nymrohd]

I'd agree if we were just talking about Visage, but the Dracthyr form seems to be in line with current full-fledged races for customization, like with post-SL variety of options. I also strongly suspect that the only reason they locked them to Evoker was for the lore coherence of them having not dealt with typical adventurers and classes, and that there will probably be an unlock in 10.1.5 to 10.2.5, after mortals have been running around the Dragon Isles with them for a while.

The thing is, if they are made to tap into the powers of the different flights then mage, shaman and druid would at the very least make sense.

[Nyel]

It really is like talking to a wall.

Nyel: It's worst it's ever been. It's ridiculous. Blizzard embarrass themselves. No one cares. I don't care for sure. It's buzz buzz buzz.

People: *listing examples and dates from past proving that testing is almost exactly fucking same last 10 years*

Nyel: So anyway, it's worst it's ever been...

Never said anything like that on the last pages, but it’s funny how you need to make everything personal when you’re out of arguments. Without insulting or talking about me, you really have not much to say anyway. Maybe work on that, your obsession with me is unhealthy.

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The expansion that has the largest continent since Wrath, and a new race and class, and a talent revamp, is somehow the smallest expansion ever when we have gotten 2 expansions without any races or classes, and continents half the size of Northrend. This thread needs to seriously do a better job at not feeding the trolls.

Supposedly the largest continent. Right now we have nothing but words in that regard to prove it. And smallest expansion is clearly reaching, that should be pretty obvious.

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Legion was the dream expansion for base systems that are now successfully being built upon and I'm ready to see what's next

This. Legion established so many things that are seen as base game now and this cannot be stressed enough. Unfortunately none of the things from the later expansions have received this status yet and it’s a shame that they don’t even try to do something similar.

[Dracullus]

Never said anything like that on the last pages, but it’s funny how you need to make everything personal when you’re out of arguments. Without insulting or talking about me, you really have not much to say anyway. Maybe work on that, your obsession with me is unhealthy.

Good old "it's your personal obsession" deflect. It's not like you doomsaying how we are in some unusual radio silence last two months. It's just my obsessed imagination.

[ExiHext]

Right now we have nothing but words in that regard to prove it.

Funny, one could say the exact same thing about your constant doomsaying.

[Hitei]

The thing is, if they are made to tap into the powers of the different flights then mage, shaman and druid would at the very least make sense.

I see where your connection is, but the way that the dragonflights use those types of magic isn't really the same way that mortal classes approach them. Like a black dragon isn't communing with the elements, using totems, making use of storm/tide/wind/etc. they're at best innately making use of some earth-specific magic and then raw fire and shadow magic. A green dragon is completely separate from the whole animal-based identity core to druids as well as most of their balance side. A blue dragon can cast spells identical to a mage, but there's not much reason for them to end up a mage in isolation when the blue fight is just one of five things they can tap into.

So even those somewhat related classes are things they'd really need to see mortals practicing first. The idea of using all the elements and totems to anchor them, the idea of using the bestial aspects of nature magic to turn into other forms, the idea of dedicating your practice to SOLELY arcane disciplines in order to perfect them.

[8bithamster]

"Based on what I heard" We all saw the dragonflight presentation. And I'm not the first person to point out its features are extremely sparse. For future reference, if you're going to try to gaslight me don't do it over something half this forum has also been saying.

And your source? Let me guess.. The presentation? Where they never reveal everything completely? Yea.. Thought so!

[Makorus]

Legion seemed very sparse from the Gamescom Reveal.

The big thing of the Legion reveal were artifact weapons, and after the outrage, of course something similar is not gonna be there.

About borrowed power: "You think that you don't, but you do".