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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean she is a robot made to follow the plan. Why deviate. Her logic is undeniable.
    Except she is a robot with an actual soul in her?

    Her logic is only undeniable if we assume that not a single thing goes to Oribos and notices the huge stream of souls going towards the Maw. The Kyrians don't learn that all the souls are going towards the Maw until the first (or second, maybe?) chapter of the Kyrian Campaign.

    You are telling me that while we are doing our business in Maldraxxus/Ardenweald/Revendreth, not a single person is like "Oh yeah, Kyrian guys, I know that you are following the Path and everything, but the thing that you literally based this whole thing on is BROKE. You are literally sending souls to the guy you are fighting."

    They could have had an interesting story in terms of "Should we follow a dogmatic order that we were created for or should we maybe change things up a time so it is fairer and makes more sense", but the way they do it in game is completely idiotic.

    I usually don't have a problem with the Shadowlands story, but the Bastion part is outright incompetent. It only makes sense if the Bastion campaign happens DURING the Bastion questline at the start of the expansion, and even that is pushing it, because that only makes sense if the Arbiter broke essentially while we are about to reach the Shadowlands.

    Rumours have spread that there is a Maw Walker by the time we reach Maldraxxus, but not that the Arbiter broke? There's literally Brokers in Oribos and in Bastion.

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    Yep, as much as I like kyrian aesthetic, the continuity is (for the sake of the Bastion story part) dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    Yep, as much as I like kyrian aesthetic, the continuity is (for the sake of the Bastion story part) dumb.
    The entire story is bad. The entire statement was meant to illustrate the stupidity of the "robot gods"of Shadowlands. The "logic is undeniable" is a reference ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Probably, but considering that Wrath and DF will release pretty close together they probably don't care as much about news overlap as we think.
    I don't think this is the case anymore with them rushing out Dragonflight. WotLK most likely will come in August and Dragonflight will launch in late November, so there's not much of an overlap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I don't think this is the case anymore with them rushing out Dragonflight. WotLK most likely will come in August and Dragonflight will launch in late November, so there's not much of an overlap.
    Yeah, I'm guessing early August for Wrath and late August for Season 4 start. Than 12 weeks of Season 4 which gives us 4 fated raid cycles. After that pre-patch and release in late November / early December.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The entire story is bad. The entire statement was meant to illustrate the stupidity of the "robot gods"of Shadowlands. The "logic is undeniable" is a reference ffs.
    But they are not robots per se.

    I suppose their bodies are robots, but they have actual souls inside of them. They are as much robots as the Earthen are.

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    Honestly, the whole story would've made much more sense if she was just a mindless bot that simply follows her programing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    But they are not robots per se.

    I suppose their bodies are robots, but they have actual souls inside of them. They are as much robots as the Earthen are.
    I'm actually facepalming right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Its only a matter of time, if not this week, next week.
    In other news, water is wet.

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    I gotta say I don't quite understand the big backlash to the robot origins of the eternal ones. Like @Makorus aluded to, most beings in WoW are either constructs, or derived from constructs. I don't think people had issues with that, from what I could tell. And in this expac, it sort of goes with the theme of pre-determinism vs free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'm actually facepalming right now.
    How so? Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'm actually facepalming right now.
    Sry, but Makorus is absolutely right.
    Comparing them to Earthen may be a stretch, but the Eternal Ones are living beings as much as Earthen got living beings after the curse of flesh. They may have started like a robot but they came to life in the process. It can also be argued that Earthen were already living beings but more like some kind of silicon based lifeform instead of carbon based. You just classify them as 'robots' because of them being artificially made. Then again new life forming has a lot in common with artificial programmes (dna being a blueprint and so on).
    You could on the other hand say they are highly evolved robots…but what distincts a highly advanced sentient robot from a living being? Or, to put it the other way round, what are humans other than biological robots. Sure, we have feelings…but every psychologist will tell you that feelings are nothing more than chemical reactions triggered through certain stimuli.
    Ok, I guess this gets too philosophical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    How so? Am I wrong?
    Something that does have a soul cannot be a robot.
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    Bereft of the cosmic spirits of the Eternal Ones, these incomplete host bodies can only carry out their base directives without mercy or compassion.
    I mean, the robotic part is literally just a Vessel for the soul of the Eternal Ones. While we fight a Denathrius "robot" in the encounter, this is not the actual Denathrius, because the thing that shapes a person, the soul, is missing. There is only one Denathrius. It's the one with the actual soul of the Eternal One. While they are both made up of the same thing, a robotic body, one is an actual person, while one is just an automaton coldly doing things they were programmed to do (Redeeming souls, I'd imagine).

    That's why the Arbiter is so computer-like. Because the Arbiter doesn't have a soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Something that does have a soul cannot be a robot.
    I mean, they aren't robots. Their bodies are robotic i.e. artificial, but they are not robots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Something that does have a soul cannot be a robot.
    To get theological, they are empty shells infused with a soul by a creator deity. Which is pretty close to humans in multiple major religions. They are also not robots since they are not animate before being infused with souls. The Arbiter itself though, that might be a robot.

    But I was only trying to make a joke and people had to start the same discussions again. Marlamin is right, we are going insane here.

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    Blizzard has acquired the studio Proletariat, developers of Spellbreak, a wizard battle royale game (that's getting shuttered).

    The studio is being acquired specifically to work on WoW.

    This could prove interesting. I had heard Spellbreak was decent, but the battle royale genre is pretty damn packed at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Blizzard has acquired the studio Proletariat, developers of Spellbreak, a wizard battle royale game (that's getting shuttered).

    The studio is being acquired specifically to work on WoW.

    This could prove interesting. I had heard Spellbreak was decent, but the battle royale genre is pretty damn packed at this point.
    Interesting that they are specifically being acquired for WoW. I wouldn't think the two games would have much of a cross section. Perhaps they are looking at some sort of new battle royale mode for the game? Or maybe they think they can quickly turn around a full studio & teach them the code base for DF in time for them to do some minor dev work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Blizzard has acquired the studio Proletariat, developers of Spellbreak, a wizard battle royale game (that's getting shuttered).

    The studio is being acquired specifically to work on WoW.

    This could prove interesting. I had heard Spellbreak was decent, but the battle royale genre is pretty damn packed at this point.
    This is great news! I'm wondering how many devs we currently have for WoW though. Would be nice to know how much the team got boosted (as in, how many people are currently there in comparison to the new 100). Hopefully they will use the extra peoplepower to make sure seasons will be shorter this time, aswell as doing a world revamp and housing for 11.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    Interesting that they are specifically being acquired for WoW. I wouldn't think the two games would have much of a cross section. Perhaps they are looking at some sort of new battle royale mode for the game? Or maybe they think they can quickly turn around a full studio & teach them the code base for DF in time for them to do some minor dev work.
    From what I understand, much of the original work on Spellbreak was intended to make it into an MMO, before they pivoted to battle royale in order to chase the trend. So there is likely a decent amount of understanding in MMO development background.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugnomo View Post
    I gotta say I don't quite understand the big backlash to the robot origins of the eternal ones. Like @Makorus aluded to, most beings in WoW are either constructs, or derived from constructs. I don't think people had issues with that, from what I could tell. And in this expac, it sort of goes with the theme of pre-determinism vs free will.
    I think people prefer not to be connected to robots or what not or rather certain origins are just disagreeable in concept. It does make sense the Shadowlands are very mechanical and robotic(I mean it is set up that way so its not a shock either).
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