1. #59681
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    maybe I'm understanding things differently than most but to me legacy dungeons is also what you do when you do old dungeons with lower level players
    The Legacy loot system kicks in when a player that is a certain amount of levels (6, I think) over the Level of the instance. It makes it so a full party worths of loot drops even if you are on your own, when before, it would just use the Personal loot system (i.e. you are not even guaranteed to get one item).

  2. #59682
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Seems like an entirely needless way to penalize primarily solo players for no particular reason while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
    having groups of solely solo players encourages bad behaviours, so there is a need.
    The game is greatly lacking tools to manage and organize group activities and that is hurting communities and people trying to build them.

  3. #59683
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    The Legacy loot system kicks in when a player that is a certain amount of levels (6, I think) over the Level of the instance. It makes it so a full party worths of loot drops even if you are on your own, when before, it would just use the Personal loot system (i.e. you are not even guaranteed to get one item).
    Should also be mentioned that legacy loot activated even with more than one person. If a boss drops 6 items for instance then two players would get three items each, three players two items each, six players one each, etc.

    With a larger group this might then look like personal loot, though with completely random drops instead of useable loot.
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  4. #59684
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    having groups of solely solo players encourages bad behaviours, so there is a need.
    The game is greatly lacking tools to manage and organize group activities and that is hurting communities and people trying to build them.
    How the hell do solo players cause bad behaviour?
    Bad behaviour comes from people that are forced into "cooperation" and from people that need others to be forced into "cooperation" because of their insufferable nature.

    Giving a solo option bypasses both those situations; no need to group if there is no desire, no need to tolerate the intolerable either.

    Gathering a group of willing and actually tolerable people gives the best experience one could possibly get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loras View Post
    How the hell do solo players cause bad behaviour?
    Bad behaviour comes from people that are forced into "cooperation" and from people that need others to be forced into "cooperation" because of their insufferable nature.

    Giving a solo option bypasses both those situations; no need to group if there is no desire, no need to tolerate the intolerable either.

    Gathering a group of willing and actually tolerable people gives the best experience one could possibly get.
    Eh we are talking about PuGs vs guilds, not group play vs solo play. People trying to go through group content solo are still doing it in groups. People get to be far more toxic when they don't have to socialize and there is no effective cost to be an asshole to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    At some point I would love if we could switch our race on the fly (I mean in the barber for gold). I know, I know, it would kill their shop profit... but no one asked and they removed payment to switch gender. Now they are slowly removing server boundaries - after 9.2.7 all is left are guilds, armor pieces on AH and Mythic raiding for first half of tier.
    As long as racial abilities exist that will never happen. Because people will feel like they are forced to pay gold to switch to the currently "best simmed" race. Blizzard has done a decent job of not making them as OP as early days of WoW but there are still situational advantages to it. It could certainly be cheaper than $20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    They need to find a way to reward you for playing with the same people. PuG mentality brought the game to this state.
    Pug mentality always existed. It has been the lack of support for cross-server that had a greater impact then pugs. Because even if you wanted to play with the same group of people it required out of game coordination. It has got slowly easier over the years until Communities were created. They are for all intents and purposes guilds. They just don't have a few nice features like banks. Though managing a bank for a community would be a nightmare in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Summon your regular imps with hand of Gul'dan
    Summon Hellfire Imps with Call Hellfire Imps instead of Call Dreadstalkers.
    Summon Imp Mother instead of the tyrant.
    Yeees this would be glorious the only way to make it bette r would be if they all worked with implosion so you could get some truly huge booms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeraldofSargeras View Post
    Praying for Alpha tomorrow...
    It's 4th of July, Alpha definitely won't start tomorrow.
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    I just learned the importance of 4th of July, my bad sorry.
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    I really wouldn't be surprised if something gets announced tomorrow. Just because it's the 4th of July that doesn't mean the whole country shuts down and bar-b-ques all day. Banks, post office, courts and stuff like lawyers are for sure going to be closed but other than those a lot of businesses are open.

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    I'm not too concerned about the day really, I'm convinced it will be sometime this week for sure.

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    Either Tuesday or Wednesday, but definitely this week.


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    Hoping for at least something that can be datamined tomorrow or Tuesday.
    I’m wanting to see the customizations for the Dracthyr that they haven’t shown at the announcements, like the body type options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Yeees this would be glorious the only way to make it bette r would be if they all worked with implosion so you could get some truly huge booms.
    Not going to lie, if I can build a Demo lock build that isn't imp focused, I would be really, really happy. I think the Imp thematic of Demo is the worst thing ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Hoping for at least something that can be datamined tomorrow or Tuesday.
    I’m wanting to see the customizations for the Dracthyr that they haven’t shown at the announcements, like the body type options.
    We may not even see Dracthyr testable in the first phase.

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    Man I am CRAVING some datamined goodies. Fingers crossed it's this week.

  18. #59698
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    Not going to lie, if I can build a Demo lock build that isn't imp focused, I would be really, really happy. I think the Imp thematic of Demo is the worst thing ever.
    I'm a really big fan of the current demonology warlock. But if you want the spec to be able to do away with the imps, what would be the focus of the spec?

  19. #59699
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    having groups of solely solo players encourages bad behaviours, so there is a need.
    The game is greatly lacking tools to manage and organize group activities and that is hurting communities and people trying to build them.
    And yet people managed to group and build communities just fine in early wow and every other game. Maybe stop blaming lack of effort on the availability of tools? It has never been easier to organize group or community things than it is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Haven’t played a lock since mop but I’d love the idea of having nothing but swarms of imps would defiantly get me to dust off the class for casual play.
    this is the current design and it's garbage imo

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