Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makorus]

Defying someone doesn't mean you are in control.

She wasn't in control when she almost summoned the Void Lords through the Sunwell.

[loras]

The Burning Legion is one group of Chaos. The Void is the entire cosmic force. So a Warlock can control the Void by controlling a creature of the Void. Alleria is the first mortal to master a specific part of the void's corruption. She is not the first mortal to ever control the Void. Also we know that isn't even an accurate statement since Etherals are mortals and have mastered the Void hence why Locus-walker exists as a teacher...

So again you ignore the source material to write your fanfic about Void elves.

While Varodic's claims are... doubtful it should be noted that ethereals are not really what one would typically call "mortal", being unfazed by most of reality's rules, consisting of pure magic, not aging or suffering disease.

Should we ever visit the "order plane" i would not be surprisd to see all our past slain ethereal friends alive and well, subjugated by the true native species of order.

[rhorle]

While Varodic's claims are... doubtful it should be noted that ethereals are not really what one would typically call "mortal", being unfazed by most of reality's rules, consisting of pure magic, not aging or suffering disease.

Wouldn't Alleria also not be considered a mortal then? She hasn't aged or suffered disease. Reality rules don't apply since those rules differ based on what dimension, plane, or other place you currently are at in WoW. Etherals being pure magic is also debatable since Etherals used technology to convert their physical bodies to energy. They "stay alive" with wrappings that have special enchantments. Energy isn't necessarily pure magic.

In my opinion they would be closer to Chaos rather then Order since it was the Twisting Nether that helped changed them.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ask...wers_-_Round_1

How did ethereals get so... ethereal? They seem to act a lot more like a mortal race than other energy beings we meet, such as elementals.
K'aresh was an arid planet, home to a thriving ecosystem and several sentient species before the arrival of Dimensius the All-Devouring. How the void lord found K'aresh is still hotly debated among the surviving ethereals, but the effects of his coming were unmistakable: he opened countless gateways into the void and the Twisting Nether around the planet, bathing K'aresh in arcane and dark energies. Using every scrap of its advanced technology, one of the mortal races hastily attempted to construct magical barriers around its cities, but it was only partially successful; although the dark energies were blocked, the unimpeded flood of arcane energy tore away the mortals' corporeal shells and infused their souls with enough energy so that they could subsist without a body… barely. Members of this race, now called ethereals, took to binding themselves with enchanted strips of cloth to provide their souls with enough structure to survive. This altered state proved to be a blessing in disguise, as their enhanced minds and magical abilities allowed the ethereals to fight Dimensius and his limited forces to a standstill. Over the years, however, Dimensius eventually grew powerful enough to summon armies of fellow void creatures, forcing the ethereals to flee into the Twisting Nether.

[Varodoc]

It is a race writeup that ignores even the story of how Alleria learned to control the shadow. You know where she was taught by a mortal that learned to control the void. Do you not actually know the lore of the race you love so much?

Citation needed on Locus-Walker being a mortal. We don't know what he is.

But back at you, you love Blizzard so much, don't you? You always defend them, after all. So why would you ignore what their employees wrote on their website? Blizzard wouldn't be very happy to know you don't care about what they wrote on their website.

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Wouldn't Alleria also not be considered a mortal then? She hasn't aged or suffered disease. Reality rules don't apply since those rules differ based on what dimension, plane, or other place you currently are at in WoW. Etherals being pure magic is also debatable since Etherals used technology to convert their physical bodies to energy. They "stay alive" with wrappings that have special enchantments. Energy isn't necessarily pure magic.

In fact I opened a thread precisely 2 years ago asking if we should consider Void elves as "mortals" like the rest of the masses, or if they are somehow biologically superior. I believe there is an argument to be made here, but I digress unfortunately.

[rhorle]

Citation needed on Locus-Walker being a mortal. We don't know what he is.

He is an Etheral. We know what he is. If you have to bring "love of Blizzard" into this then it is clear you are not using only canon as your only source. The website is often contradicted or not a full picture of Lore. It isn't meant to be a canon source unless it is a story or other lore item.

[Nymrohd]

@Aucald I really have to know, is it truly OK to have a flamebaiting troll derail threads for pages upon pages?

[Vasoka]

Alleria Windrunner is the first mortal to defy the shadows' whispers, as stated in the Canonical source I provided.

This means that every mortal prior to her succumbed to the whispers.

You still haven't gotten treatment for your obsessive disorder?

[Varodoc]

He is an Etheral. We know what he is. If you have to bring "love of Blizzard" into this then it is clear you are not using only canon as your only source. The website is often contradicted or not a full picture of Lore. It isn't meant to be a canon source unless it is a story or other lore item.

We don't know if they can still be classified as mortals, after having warped and marred their body beyond any recognition.

[Chickat]

So I was watching Towelliee earlier today, and he said that the current wowdev build is very likely the build that we'll get and that he was told that alpha starts super soon.

Probably Wednesday. Devs aren't working till Tuesday. American independence day weekend.

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I mean, I don't know why you are trying to downplay that.

The quickest selling exclusive on the PS4 was TLOU2 with 4 Million sales during its opening weekend.

Shadowlands had 3.7 Million on launch day. Sure, not as much, but certainly not as bad or irrelevant as you pretend it is.

Legends Arceus sold 6.7 Million in a week, but comparing Switch sales and especially Pokemon sales to PS4 sales or WoW sales is stupid. It's actually really hard to find launch day sales. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the best selling Switch game, yet only sold 1.2 Million on launch day.

Shadowlands was the fastest selling PC game of all time. U til a week later when cyberpunk beat it. I wonder how many people refunded cyberpunk anyways.

[Greyfang]

@Aucald I really have to know, is it truly OK to have a flamebaiting troll derail threads for pages upon pages?

There's a saying where I'm from, "It's not the pig's fault, but the one's who feed it". This person would stop derailing so much if people didn't engage them, yet we've still not learned the lesson.

[ExiHext]

There's a saying where I'm from, "It's not the pig's fault, but the one's who feed it". This person would stop derailing so much if people didn't engage them, yet we've still not learned the lesson.

Absolutely right, but if it leads to rhoid elf fanboy being banned it is totally worth losing a page.

[Makorus]

This ability seems really cool to be honest.

Wish they had more last-row talents with complexity like that.

[Nyel]

This ability seems really cool to be honest.

Wish they had more last-row talents with complexity like that.

I agree that all classes should have very flavor-heavy bottom tier talents based on their spec lore, a bit similar to artifact weapons. This "Idol of [Old God]" type of talent makes me excited to play a Shadow Priest because it totally fits the spec. I wish Druids would have gotten something similar, but in comparison to the really great (Shadow) Priest their talent tree is very bland.

This talent in particular sounds pretty bad and impractical though for actual combat. It's definitely cool, but it's already giving me headaches. It's very similar to the Nightfae Covenant ability which was mostly not used before it was overtuned and then it was nerfed and barely used again. I have a really hard time imagining how they will make this work in competitive modes, especially when the other choices seem to be way stronger from their flavor text alone. I hold my final judgement though, because I really like complex abilities like this, I just have a hard time seeing this being used (in PvE).

[klaps_05]

Another set of talent trees where players are forced into 1 specific path for the class tree. Really wish class trees were a lot more meaningful with a lot less restrictions. At least dont make players waste talent points just because you put 3 overpowered PI points.

[Dracullus]

Ok clear you schedules for next week, you can feel in the air it's coming. Only obstacle is July 4, but still I hope at least for blue post annoucement that day.

Shadowlands was the fastest selling PC game of all time. U til a week later when cyberpunk beat it. I wonder how many people refunded cyberpunk anyways.

Cyberpunk was buggy, but not broken on PC, nothing beyond we used to see in TES/Fallout or well, Witcher 3. So if there were many refunds, it's rather on PS4 side.

[Marcellus1986]

I agree that all classes should have very flavor-heavy bottom tier talents based on their spec lore, a bit similar to artifact weapons. This "Idol of [Old God]" type of talent makes me excited to play a Shadow Priest because it totally fits the spec. I wish Druids would have gotten something similar, but in comparison to the really great (Shadow) Priest their talent tree is very bland.

This talent in particular sounds pretty bad and impractical though for actual combat. It's definitely cool, but it's already giving me headaches. It's very similar to the Nightfae Covenant ability which was mostly not used before it was overtuned and then it was nerfed and barely used again. I have a really hard time imagining how they will make this work in competitive modes, especially when the other choices seem to be way stronger from their flavor text alone. I hold my final judgement though, because I really like complex abilities like this, I just have a hard time seeing this being used (in PvE).

Not really. Boomkin tree is great with multiple possible builds. Really looking forward to rotting people with aoe goodness in bgs.

[Nyel]

Not really. Boomkin tree is great with multiple possible builds. Really looking forward to rotting people with aoe goodness in bgs.

That's not what I meant. It can be great (I disagree though), but it's utterly boring, because there are no new spec-based or flavor skills like the Idols for Shadow Priest. It's just that you can have more of the same than before. Nice to have, but hardly "groundbreaking" or fresh compared to several of the new Priest talents. Especially Discipline and Shadow have quite a lot of new stuff whereas Druid has almost nothing of that.

[Arafal]

I am a bit worried how Holy will play without Flash Concentration.

I really thought they'd add it as a talent, but no.
Holy is just so slow without it.

[Makorus]

That's not what I meant. It can be great (I disagree though), but it's utterly boring, because there are no new spec-based or flavor skills like the Idols for Shadow Priest. It's just that you can have more of the same than before. Nice to have, but hardly "groundbreaking" or fresh compared to several of the new Priest talents. Especially Discipline and Shadow have quite a lot of new stuff whereas Druid has almost nothing of that.

I am really hoping they back some of the more interesting talents for Mage. There's a lot of potential, and I am really worried they are gonna blow it. Bring back Prismatic Crystal, bring back the effects from the Archimonde trinket, give us Evanesce back.

Expand on Elementals and give us an Elemental for every spec. Have a talent set up that revolves around Glacial Spike instead of Ice Lance. Have a talent that makes Ignite spread passively again.

Presence of Mind for all specs. Ice Floes for all specs. Greater Invis back to all specs.

I am ready to be disappointed, but it would be nice

[Makabreska]

That's not what I meant. It can be great (I disagree though), but it's utterly boring, because there are no new spec-based or flavor skills like the Idols for Shadow Priest. It's just that you can have more of the same than before. Nice to have, but hardly "groundbreaking" or fresh compared to several of the new Priest talents. Especially Discipline and Shadow have quite a lot of new stuff whereas Druid has almost nothing of that.

Ye, keep in mind that groundbreaking and new stuff may simply be over-designed and too clunky in use (DH Necro ability). Meanwhile, Wowhead analysis on Boomkins is positive:

I think as a whole I am quite happy with the Balance talents in particular. Some of my personal highlights are:
- A TON of cool druid flavored abilities being brought back (class and spec).
- Lots of M+ flexibility talent wise. The builds not being set in stone and having a lot of options for M+ in particular is really cool.
- The capstone traits seem like very important capstone traits.
- Changes to our Cooldowns.