Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Can't wait for Starfield to be absolute dumpster fire on release.

can't wait for my ship to get bugged and dissapear in space, with lasers shooting from my nipples because of that.

Many games are bugged to all hell becuase they have underpaid or shitty QA or not QA at all, its not the engine, if someone favors the preoders then the preorder money should go for good QA, but big companies are cheap and it doesn't.

I don't see logic in preordering either and i just leave this short and funny video in here.

[Makabreska]

Can't wait for Starfield to be absolute dumpster fire on release.

Eh, I'm sure MS slapped them/will slap them into shape. Also, Starfield is a genre they have been doing for decades, not some live service MMO they had zero experience with. But of course it will be bugged a lot, since Bethesda likes when modders fix their games and add content to them.

[Teriz]

It's always frustrating when you don't like something but there are other people who do.

It’s honestly getting weird; We now have posters on a WoW-centric forum going after other posters for having the audacity to preorder the next WoW expansion!

Strange times indeed.

[Dracullus]

It’s honestly getting weird; We now have posters on a WoW-centric forum going after other posters for having the audacity to preorder the next WoW expansion!

Strange times indeed.

Let's not pretend it's something new. For some people only argument for "wow is bad" is "no one plays it and game will die soon" (of course there are also people woth constructive criticism that are welcomed). So no wonder they go apeshit whenever there is big hype around game.

[Edlarel]

*Snip*

I disagree with that video only on the basis that if it were true, they would more than triple the number of preorders. But yeah, I'm going to play anyway, and I have money now. No promise I will in 6+ months.

[Nymrohd]

The value proposition of a new WoW xpac is just good. An xpac is packed with as much content as most AAA game and that's without the repeatable content. If it gets boring after, sure, quit. But you will get your money's worth from the release.

[The Stormbringer]

What was shown in the trailer was way ahead of those past expansions tho.
Most zones were shown with mobs and npc in it. They already knew the story of each zones and shared it with us.

Also no borrowed power is gonna give them a lot of more time to do other stuff.

SL had to test conduit, soulbinds, legendaries, covenant skills and classes covenant skills for every spec in the game.
+ thorgy power.

That's a lot of time invested.

There is none of that in DF.

Really? I didn't see them showcasing dungeons and battlegrounds like they have in past expansions. All I saw was some zones and a couple of monsters.

What lesson is it you want them to have learned? They is no indication that Dragonflight will have two major patches only and there is no indication they haven't put proper time and effort into Dragonflight. The only lesson you are teaching Blizzard is that haters will hate for any reason they can find. Even if they don't have any evidence to back up their hate.

There isn't that much to test. Standard questing content and balance of basic talents. Dragon Riding is the only advance system that we know about that would require extensive testing. Remember they listened and remove borrowed power.

The indications are everywhere, you just have to look at Shadowlands. Maybe I will be proven wrong, and if I am, I'll be pleasantly surprised. It may shock you but I actually want the game to be good. The problem is the precedent set with Shadowlands.

And we are back to square one. How do we know that SL being shorter wont be to DF benefit?

Primarily the poor showing of Shadowlands as well as the severe lack of information on Dragonflight itself. But also, Blizzard's track record. They have shown time and time again that they keep dropping the ball. I've been burned far too many times to expect them to put out something great, so instead I'll wait to see what they actually make, and view everything until then with a cynical eye. If they start releasing quality stuff on a regular basis, then they could definitely change my opinion. I used to be a huge fan, after all.

How does the Alpha test of the expansion being short have anything to do with post-launch content?

The Alpha and Beta being short typically means things aren't being well tested, which leads to a jankier, poorer quality game. Maybe there will still be 'quantity' if they intend on rushing things, but it won't be quality.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

OOOOOOF!!! Bold statement, considering their last game was F76.

Which has improved since then, and people need to let go of what happened. If people are gonna preorder that is on them, no need to mock them. You can disagree with them all you want but it is their decision at the end of the day. If a game makes you miserable, you are free to leave, I don't think anybody sane should stick around something that clearly annoys and rages them(Even if I think they are being dumb and incorrect).

[Xilurm]

Pre-ordering is completely pointless and insane these days. There is no supply or shipping problems to be worried about. You can buy the game the minute it launches and be playing it as soon as the clowns who bought it 6 months ago.

I don't see the CE lasting 6 months tbh.

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We have paid the public performance fees to Teosto and Gramex. We literally have the express consent from copyright holders. You don't operate a radio station on actual FM waves without all of your shit in order.

However the TOS of Spotify, Amazon or any digital platform prohibits their commercial use, which makes them completely unusable as a source. Under our licenses, no such limitations exists for any physical media though.

You're playing the WoW soundtrack on the radio for other people? What kind of station is that?

[Makabreska]

Which has improved since then, and people need to let go of what happened. People should also stop assuming Starfield is gonna bomb. Ya'll are too obessed with the past.

Sorry, that's just my reaction to someone calling probably the worst game launch ever as a "significantly more stable and less buggy than Bethesdas games in a decade". And of course Starfield in not gonna bomb. Bethesda brand is too big and the game will be on Game Pass.

[Lahis]

You're playing the WoW soundtrack on the radio for other people? What kind of station is that?

Wappuradio. It is a tradition in my (old) university where we have 24/7 live shows for two to three weeks every April. Since they haven't shoo'd us alumni away, this year I had a show about video game music and goddamn is it infuriating to try to find music from newer games when game companies don't make CD or record soundtracks anymore (or if they do, they're from out of print CEs and stupidly expensive) and just dump stuff on Spotify or Steam.

[micwini]

I also don't really see the appeal to "pre-ordering". Just wait and if its about to release and you know you are gonna buy it, just ""Pre-order" it one day beforehand and still get all the goodies.

[Arafal]

Whether or not you pre-order is just a question of how patient/impatient you are to get the goodies, if you actually want them to beginn with.
Blizzard doesn't do FOMO pre-orders anymore, all editions and goodies are permanently available in the shop.

[Lady Atia]

Whether or not you pre-order is just a question of how patient/impatient you are to get the goodies, if you actually want them to beginn with.
Blizzard doesn't do FOMO pre-orders anymore, all editions and goodies are permanently available in the shop.

Actually, the Drakks pet is FOMO this time, and I actually like it. Collectors Editions lost their value when they started to do the digital deluxe editions.

[Xilurm]

Actually, the Drakks pet is FOMO this time, and I actually like it. Collectors Editions lost their value when they started to do the digital deluxe editions.

Well there's always the mousepad and the artbook.

[Sondrelk]

Well there's always the mousepad and the artbook.

Mouse pad is usually shit, but the artbook is definitely good for those who appreciate concept art.

[Lady Atia]

Well there's always the mousepad and the artbook.

Truu, but both aren't worth the extra 40 euros, especially as the artbook usually gets posted on the internet anyways.

[Zantera]

The backlash of "It's too soon it's gonna be rushed" just proves to me that it's a lose-lose situation for Blizzard either way. I wasn't expecting this to come out this year myself but I also know that if this was announced for Spring or Summer 2023 - there would be just as much negativity about "Omg we can't wait that long, longest wait between expansions ever" and so on.

Don't get me wrong, I also have hesitation and hope that this won't come out rushed, but I also know that you can't hold something off forever either. And I guess lackluster launches is kind of a thing right? I mean thinking back I feel like most expansions were in a rough/questionable state at release. Wotlk didn't even bother to do an original first raid and re-used Naxx, MoP went overboard on the dailies and Legion for all the good it did in later patches was honestly not that great on launch. So I'm sure Dragonflight will have some issues at launch as well but I hope without any major systems like in the last few expansions that maybe, just maybe they won't need as much of a beta period to get things right. Talents will be a big one but let's hope outside of that they are working on things that will keep us entertained that won't necessarily require a lot of tinkering to get right.

[rhorle]

This is why people say you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Because I challenge your flawed comments? You said it isn't pessimism while being pessimestic. You don't know details about the expansion yet call it filler. You say Dragonflight is akin to WotLK in content but Shadowlands objectively had more content then WotLK. The reason why you and others always label me as arguing for the sake of arguing is because they don't like being called out on their own BS.

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The indications are everywhere, you just have to look at Shadowlands. Maybe I will be proven wrong, and if I am, I'll be pleasantly surprised. It may shock you but I actually want the game to be good. The problem is the precedent set with Shadowlands.

So Dragonflight is bad because Shadowlands is bad? Even though you don't know details about Dragonflight to call it bad. You don't actually want the game to be good if you are calling anything bad automatically.

[Gumble]

The backlash of "It's too soon it's gonna be rushed" just proves to me that it's a lose-lose situation for Blizzard either way.

I think given how little they have to test that they feel they can get it done and have a profitable year.

They have new zones, which will reuse a ton of assets, but for the most part can be player-tested to find any bugs.

They have a new class, but its rediculously limited and has very little that isn't a copy from other classes. Should be very easy to test.

They have talent and proffession revamps, which look to be MOSTLY the same stuff we have now, packaged slightly differently. Should be quick to test.


Dragon-Gliding....... Don't know enough about it to judge. So maybe that will take time, assuming they spent alot of resources to make it something interesting.




Heck, they could even score big if they added little things into the initial offering and worked on good raids after that. Give more body options to the new race (think hunched vs tall orcs, but dracthyr that are more dragon-like or more humanoid like), give people the ability to customize them in alot of ways that lets people pick what they want them to look like.

Do that, and make the graphics good and you could get away with a successful new class/race (throw in a tank spec!)

Then take the talent trees and make them feel like your character can be really powerful at 70. Remove most of the base abilities from the specs, put in 4-6 more talents that allow you to scale different parts of your class/spec so people excited to get to play with the new trees.


Do that and you'd have a success. Its still possible and wouldn't take that much work.