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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    I think given how little they have to test that they feel they can get it done and have a profitable year.

    They have new zones, which will reuse a ton of assets, but for the most part can be player-tested to find any bugs.

    They have a new class, but its rediculously limited and has very little that isn't a copy from other classes. Should be very easy to test.
    Ok, and how do we know these when all we have are few second snippets from the reveal event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    They have talent and proffession revamps, which look to be MOSTLY the same stuff we have now, packaged slightly differently. Should be quick to test.
    Again, talents may not be new, but combinations are. We are now basically allowed to take entire rows of current talents, plus all the other stuff, old and new. Talents may need the most testing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Ok, and how do we know these when all we have are few second snippets from the reveal event?
    Because they are lazy made belf copies and so their class mechanic must be a lazy copy, too!!!!111111

    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Because I challenge your flawed comments? You said it isn't pessimism while being pessimestic. You don't know details about the expansion yet call it filler. You say Dragonflight is akin to WotLK in content but Shadowlands objectively had more content then WotLK. The reason why you and others always label me as arguing for the sake of arguing is because they don't like being called out on their own BS.

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    So Dragonflight is bad because Shadowlands is bad? Even though you don't know details about Dragonflight to call it bad. You don't actually want the game to be good if you are calling anything bad automatically.
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

    You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.

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    So when we getting Season 4, given a December or even November release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

    You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.
    Where are you getting the POTENIAL for it being bad? Just because in your opinion the previous expansion was bad therefore this one will be bad? Thats pretty messed up logic. In your logic I can say (insert last major holiday) sucked so the next one will suck? Or the last baby born into the family was ugly as a mud fence so the next one will be too? You have seen very very little so know very very little. So quit saying the sky is falling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad.
    You said the indications of Dragonflight being bad are everywhere. Potential wasn't a part of this until you got called out. You predicting an outcome is you indicating you don't want the game to be good and calling it bad even with out knowing the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticon View Post
    So when we getting Season 4, given a December or even November release?
    As soon as the Alliance Hall of Fame closes for Sepulcher. So 42 more kills. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ga...ction=ALLIANCE
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    No, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Shadowlands was bad, therefor Dragonflight has the potential to be bad. Just because signs are pointing towards it being bad doesn't mean IT IS BAD. I obviously don't know that Dragonflight is bad, but I'm extrapolating from data we've gained from the past (Shadowlands) and predicting a potential outcome (Dragonflight possibly being bad).

    You may call that nothing, or think it's stupid, but it's just looking at history.
    WoD was bad as well you know. And did not have even a fraction of Shadowlands' excuses for being bad.

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    US 9.2.5 PTR forums no longer up. Is today the day?

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    Look I'm pretty excited for Dragonflight but it's understandable considering a lot of players' reactions to Shadowlands that people are apprehensive.

    For me personally Blizzard has a lot of good 'reasons' for Shadowlands lacking. Whether or not those reasons actually apply, who knows, but I believe it. Frankly even if the 'reasons' are just excuses I still enjoyed Shadowlands a hell of a lot more than WoD.

    But considering Shadowlands people have a right to be apprehensive. (Note that being apprehensive is different than the people saying Dragonflight is shit/has no content/whatever or people telling people who are excited that it's their 'fault' Blizzard is how they are now.)

    As an aside people who don't want to support Blizzard anymore after all of their sexual harassment/coverups is a whole different story, and completely justified. Wouldn't think those people would still be posting about WoW though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexjimithing View Post
    When I stop enjoying the work of a given company I simply stop playing their games/giving them money.

    I mean if you want to spend your time and emotional energy ‘hating’ them and posting about them online, while using ‘cringe’ as an adjective, you do you I guess.
    Does it truly take that much energy to point out obvious flaws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fcwar View Post
    US 9.2.5 PTR forums no longer up. Is today the day?
    Thursday is usually the test realm days, so we could see alpha drops tomorrow.

    Realistically, I am hopeful that Dragonflight will be a good expansion. The initial release patch is in a good place to launch, we get some updated systems for things that long needed it, a new class/race, we will see the story and exploration of the Dragon Isles and they will release the first raid.

    I think this method is giving them a better baseline to put down so that way they can add a new system of sorts (Be it a borrowed power, or Torghast/Mage Tower experience) in one of the .X patches. FFXIV for the most part does this with their expansions, focusing on the story first, then adding new systems and additions in the subsequent patches.

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    In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.
    But I'm super hyped about Dragonflight since it was announced and I'm still in a state of optimism now that it's coming even earlier than we thought it would. I'm just in an apprehensive state due to no alpha yet, but maybe that's coming .... soon. :P

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    Here’s hoping for some new tidbits on Evoker and dungeon previews. It’s nice to know what to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.
    What an excellent 5Head take from our resident Ersula. What a coincidence, that in one of the most notorious DF hater mind there is no place for people just being optimistic and happy about next expac since the start. Cuz we can't have these, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polybius View Post
    Does it truly take that much energy to point out obvious flaws?
    When you do it day in/day out for months, and continue to follow the news/updates for a game you hate, I'd say yeah.

    Find a hobby you enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    In this forum there are two groups of people: People who were super hyped about Dragonflight when it was announced but are now super apprehensive due to the 2022 release date, and people who were extremely underwhelmed by the announcement but have sense mellowed into a state of contented optimism & these two groups absolutely hate each other.
    I'm still hyped as much as I was when it got announced. I'm still gonna get what I was excited about. New area to explore and learn about, and the new Dragon Riding feature.

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    WOTLK beta is out, DF next week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    You said the indications of Dragonflight being bad are everywhere. Potential wasn't a part of this until you got called out. You predicting an outcome is you indicating you don't want the game to be good and calling it bad even with out knowing the details.
    This is flat out reaching. I already said I would be happy to be proven wrong and for the game to be good. Why? Because that gives people a better experience and shows Blizzard can learn from their mistakes in and before Shadowlands. I have no reason to want it to be bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrja View Post
    WOTLK beta is out, DF next week?
    More like next month. They're gonna give LKC chance to be tested before everyone leaves to go test DF.
    Dragonflight: Better, but at this point WoW needs a major reboot not an incremental upgrade.

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