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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    iin 9.0 they did not have the skip and were told "hey this is boring" the response was "we want each character to experience it"
    then it was added and they said "we heard your feedback and agree"
    So your argument that Blizzard doesn't listen to feedback is proved by saying they listen to feedback? I don't think you really know what you are trying to argue here. Of course Blizzard gets things wrong when players get things right. There are also many cases of players getting things wrong while Blizzard gets it right. You are cherry picking things in order to prove an absolute that doesn't exist. You've even agreed it doesn't exist while still trying to argue in favor of that absolute.
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    Either DF is going to be very, veeery light in content or we're in for another "Refunded" situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seasz View Post
    Either DF is going to be very, veeery light in content or we're in for another "Refunded" situation.
    nah im assuming that instead of having a bunch of things up front we will have things in each patch
    so instead of say getting Torghast equivalent in 10.0 we get it in 10.1
    this leads to less of a front loaded content expansion but helps ease up on the players who feel overwhelmed while also being able to make it attached to the gameplay loop
    imagine if torghast was added in 9.1 so in 9.0 people would have less to keep up with and would feel like taking time off is not a loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seasz View Post
    Either DF is going to be very, veeery light in content or we're in for another "Refunded" situation.
    I'd argue it's more about DF being light on systems rather than light on content. Less systems means less stuff that everything has to be built around, leading to more room to just work on content & related items. If the devs didn't have to completely work everything around covenants (stories, class balancing, abilities, gear sets, quest chains, etc), I imagine SL might have had more to do overall or at the very least quicker content releases.

    I still think DF will be relatively light on content overall, but that IMO is more to try to get this expansion & the next one out quicker & with more of a steady cadence than SL had. If the content feels light overall while continuously coming out & fixing bugs/design flaws as they go, I think it'll overall be one of the better received expansions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    I'd argue it's more about DF being light on systems rather than light on content. Less systems means less stuff that everything has to be built around, leading to more room to just work on content & related items. If the devs didn't have to completely work everything around covenants (stories, class balancing, abilities, gear sets, quest chains, etc), I imagine SL might have had more to do overall or at the very least quicker content releases.

    I still think DF will be relatively light on content overall, but that IMO is more to try to get this expansion & the next one out quicker & with more of a steady cadence than SL had. If the content feels light overall while continuously coming out & fixing bugs/design flaws as they go, I think it'll overall be one of the better received expansions.
    I think that DF will likely be short on content in the same sense that Shadowlands is short on content. Despite there being a hell of a lot to do, from mounts to cosmetics, torghast, a few different end game zones with collections, raids and dungeons...

    It will feel like there is nothing to do. I am happy to see a return of talent trees, but "new systems" served a very real purpose of giving players something to do at all times that actively progressed power. And I'll be honest, I just don't think enough people are into that in a WoW style game.

    Despite that im very optimistic for the expansion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polybius View Post
    I chuckle every time corpo tries to push esports. First the failed pay per view event, then the paid spectators, and now incentives to watch streams.

    It works better hosted by small communities.
    I wish they would atleast realize that pushing player image as actual sports do is cringe.

    There's nothing cool about seing some unfit nerdy dude acting "cool" on the camera. They have 0 charisma unlike actual athletes that do sports. Everytime I see it it's awkward.

  7. #60167
    I just want to see the Mage talent tree...



    But I don't understand why it's taking so long for Alpha to start. I mean, since Legion Alpha's are beginning way earlier than Beta.

    I doubt Blizzard is planning to release this expansion on Christmas week, so we're already down to five-ish months...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I wish they would atleast realize that pushing player image as actual sports do is cringe.

    There's nothing cool about seing some unfit nerdy dude acting "cool" on the camera. They have 0 charisma unlike actual athletes that do sports. Everytime I see it it's awkward.
    What's cringe is your need to shame people for being unfit. People don't need to be fit to be cool. Charisma has nothing to do with your BMI.

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    Towellier taking the day off today.
    I'm guessing we'll get alpha mid next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    I think that DF will likely be short on content in the same sense that Shadowlands is short on content. Despite there being a hell of a lot to do, from mounts to cosmetics, torghast, a few different end game zones with collections, raids and dungeons...

    It will feel like there is nothing to do. I am happy to see a return of talent trees, but "new systems" served a very real purpose of giving players something to do at all times that actively progressed power. And I'll be honest, I just don't think enough people are into that in a WoW style game.

    Despite that im very optimistic for the expansion
    See, profession revamp. The profession revamp can easily be used to tie all other activities on a rewarding progression track. If you need to both level your different recipes and need a wide variety of reagents with the ability to also use consumables to improve results, everything can lead there in the same way that almost everything in Legion helped with your artifact or Legendaries.

    Also running ahead but BlizzCon 2023! We will get to have a proper speculation time for 11.0 instead of this mess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    What's cringe is your need to shame people for being unfit. People don't need to be fit to be cool. Charisma has nothing to do with your BMI.
    Those are two different things. They have 0 charisma because they aren't used to being in the spotlight.

    They are trying to paint them as actual athletes when they are not.

    And being unfit is a choice, I'm sorry that I'm offending bad lifestyle choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Those are two different things. They have 0 charisma because they aren't used to being in the spotlight.
    Neither do most physical athletes without training on how to better respond. Even with coaching on how to be more presentable to media some just are not. You are also creating an arbitrary line for the definition of athlete which is silly. Despite your hate e-sports are a thing and it does take skill to compete so there is no reason why the competitors can't be called athletes. The US also issues "athlete" visas for e-sports players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Neither do most physical athletes without training on how to better respond. Even with coaching on how to be more presentable to media some just are not. You are also creating an arbitrary line for the definition of athlete which is silly. Despite your hate e-sports are a thing and it does take skill to compete so there is no reason why the competitors can't be called athletes. The US also issues "athlete" visas for e-sports players so the world has moved on from your antiquated view.
    I enjoy watching e-sports sometimes, mostly for fighting games. So no, I don't hate them.

    I also didn't know about the athlete thing. The definition of the word mentions only physical sports. It's weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I enjoy watching e-sports sometimes, mostly for fighting games. So no, I don't hate them.
    Your words indicate otherwise. You are broadly insulting all e-sports players as automatically inferior to any physical athlete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Neither do most physical athletes without training on how to better respond. Even with coaching on how to be more presentable to media some just are not. You are also creating an arbitrary line for the definition of athlete which is silly. Despite your hate e-sports are a thing and it does take skill to compete so there is no reason why the competitors can't be called athletes. The US also issues "athlete" visas for e-sports players.
    And the big athletes have entire marketing teams behind them and film advertisements with experienced directors in proper film sets. Even the better e-sport players are probably self-marketed and do their content on what is available to most streamers. You can fake charisma to an extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    And being unfit is a choice, I'm sorry that I'm offending bad lifestyle choices.
    There are a fucking myriad of reasons a person can end up looking the way they do.

    As someone who used to be obese and still struggles with my sense of self, body image and relationship to food, chuckling it up as simply a 'personal choice' is an insanely dumb, reductionist take and its honestly just insulting.


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    it is today i can still feel it in my bones trust me on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    You are broadly insulting all e-sports players as automatically inferior to any physical athlete.
    Sports by definition is physical activity, so e-sports is like decaf coffee - inferior by definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    And being unfit is a choice,
    Just like being poor is a choice.

    I'm unfit and it ain't no choice of mine - I have a disability that has meant I needed help to get and stay fit, and I've only just started getting help after 20 years of looking.

    Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
    You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
    Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
    Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.


  19. #60179
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Sports by definition is physical activity, so e-sports is like decaf coffee - inferior by definition.
    Yawn.

    Chess is recognized by the International Olympic Commitee as a sport and so is bridge

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    You are also creating an arbitrary line for the definition of athlete which is silly.
    Not really an arbitrary definition, just the literal one.

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