1. #60181
    Quote Originally Posted by 8bithamster View Post
    Aah yes. That logic. "They didn't do anything today at all so America is the only that matters."

    Nowhere did I disagree with nothing happening today. I only disagreed with the idiots who claimed that somehow the 4th of July has an impact on the world. Which it doesn't.
    Don’t think anyone here claimed that. Just that it has an impact on the company that is based here in the US.

  2. #60182
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellus1986 View Post
    Don’t think anyone here claimed that. Just that it has an impact on the company that is based here in the US.
    We had several people claim that because Blizzard is a US based company, every office in the world of Blizzard is closed today. Which is factually untrue, labor laws completely prove that false.

    But it's completely irrelevant. Anyone hoping for an alpha this week is just way to hopeful. So far this thread we have seen:


    "This week guys for sure!"
    Friday rolls around
    "Next week guys for sure!"

    This happens every alpha of every expansion. We simply have no clue what will happen when. Claiming that X has an influence on Y without even knowing what their base values are is absolutely useless. All we can do is wait and maybe sometime we can see the start of the alpha. But I personally don't expect it at least until August.
    Yes the pre order claims that "The release date is on or before 31-12-2022" but that has 0 legal basis, they might just release it later. And yes, people will scream it's a delay and a horrible business practice. But since a placeholder date (which 31-12 is) is not a confirmed date, you have nothing to be angry about.

  3. #60183
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    Something that really bothers me about people talking smack on the “number of features” in Dragonflight: it’s no different than TBC or Wrath (two expansions people go nuts over). Think about it, what did we get (feature wise) from those expansions that is less or more than Dragonflight? I think the problem is people are/were expecting “more” because of Legion/BFA/SL BUT think about how many systems there were (and people hated it). So, I don’t know. It’s funny.

    I’m other news, can’t wait for Alpha/DF news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    Something that really bothers me about people talking smack on the “number of features” in Dragonflight: it’s no different than TBC or Wrath (two expansions people go nuts over). Think about it, what did we get (feature wise) from those expansions that is less or more than Dragonflight? I think the problem is people are/were expecting “more” because of Legion/BFA/SL BUT think about how many systems there were (and people hated it). So, I don’t know. It’s funny.

    I’m other news, can’t wait for Alpha/DF news!
    Correction. BC/WotLK had much less activities, compared to DF. No M+, less BGs and Arenas, less Raid diffs, no pet battles, no Brawler Club, less or no achievements, no transmogs to farm etc. But it was still more than in previous xpac, so peeps were perfectly fine. And ye, features like Torg, Isles and War Fronts were panned, but I guess peeps are just looking at in in a numerical way, and say that the number o features is smaller than in SL, so therefore DF is bad.
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  5. #60185
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Correction. BC/WotLK had much less activities, compared to DF. No M+, less BGs and Arenas, less Raid diffs, no pet battles, no Brawler Club, less or no achievements, no transmogs to farm etc. But it was still more than in previous xpac, so peeps were perfectly fine. And ye, features like Torg, Isles and War Fronts were panned, but I guess peeps are just looking at in in a numerical way, and say that the number o features is smaller than in SL, so therefore DF is bad.
    By this cumulative logic, you're admitting Dragonflight could have had NO new features & you, specifically, would still use this excuse to say "Dragonflight has the most features ever of any expansion"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    By this cumulative logic, you're admitting Dragonflight could have had NO new features & you, specifically, would still use this excuse to say "Dragonflight has the most features ever of any expansion"
    No. Not sure how your brilliant head came to this conclusion. Did I trigger your "where are borrowed powers and Torghast" thingy?
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  7. #60187
    People say "Oh, I don't want systems that I need to for combat reasons and I don't mind them when they are cosmetic only", yet who honestly did Torghast in 9.2 when it was entirely cosmetic only? The people bitching probably didn't.

    I don't mind having no "systems", I really don't, but I think the playerbase is gonna be in for a wake up call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People say "Oh, I don't want systems that I need to for combat reasons and I don't mind them when they are cosmetic only", yet who honestly did Torghast in 9.2 when it was entirely cosmetic only? The people bitching probably didn't.

    I don't mind having no "systems", I really don't, but I think the playerbase is gonna be in for a wake up call.
    I don't find that likely tbh. At most I think people will be ok with the systemless take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People say "Oh, I don't want systems that I need to for combat reasons and I don't mind them when they are cosmetic only", yet who honestly did Torghast in 9.2 when it was entirely cosmetic only? The people bitching probably didn't.

    I don't mind having no "systems", I really don't, but I think the playerbase is gonna be in for a wake up call.
    Not sure about that. I didn't see any complaining in 9.2 about having no player power to extensively farm.
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  10. #60190
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People say "Oh, I don't want systems that I need to for combat reasons and I don't mind them when they are cosmetic only", yet who honestly did Torghast in 9.2 when it was entirely cosmetic only? The people bitching probably didn't.

    I don't mind having no "systems", I really don't, but I think the playerbase is gonna be in for a wake up call.
    We're going back to the "I've run out of content" whining a week after launch because they can't function without their hamsterwheel or realize that they can take breaks from the game until new content arrives.
    Although even without "systems" I can still see Blizzard timegating the content. "Campaigns" that progress with a 15-30 minute quest every week over 9 weeks so they get at least two months worth of subs out of players every major content update.

  11. #60191
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Not sure about that. I didn't see any complaining in 9.2 about having no player power to extensively farm.
    Oh, sure, but that was a patch that hasn't even been out for 5 months.

    Make it an expansion and you will get the people rushing in complaining that there is nothing to do after a month.

    A lot of people think they are smarter than the psychologists at Blizzard who design the carrots that they see through and think that the whole "Permanent grind" doesn't work on them and doesn't keep them playing.

    They aren't, and they don't.

  12. #60192
    People just want housing/racial campaigns/class campaigns/exciting solo content which DF doesn't have, at least not on the website. I'm sure the renown campaigns will be similar to what they want but it isn't the "retake Lordaeron" or "regrow Teldrassil" people are claiming for. It's going to be sampling weed with new centaurs and fishing with Tuskarr.

    People want a revamp/EK and Kalimdor expansion, and DF just isn't it.

    I'm not sure this is the biggest audience, but it's definitely a loud one on social media. And the lack of any of these in DF makes it seem boring to a lot of them.
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  13. #60193
    Regarding player power: any news about legos being further upgradable? Or will they stay 291? Thoughts?

  14. #60194
    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    Regarding player power: any news about legos being further upgradable? Or will they stay 291? Thoughts?
    I doubt they will be, but it's gonna be really shitty getting a Heroic piece that's better than your Legendary in everything but effect.

  15. #60195
    Quote Originally Posted by ExiHext View Post
    Regarding player power: any news about legos being further upgradable? Or will they stay 291? Thoughts?
    Considering sanctum shards aren't coming back I doubt they are bothering with legendaries.

  16. #60196
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    I doubt they will be, but it's gonna be really shitty getting a Heroic piece that's better than your Legendary in everything but effect.
    Yea, sounds weird. I really thought they would implement something.

  17. #60197
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    People just want housing/racial campaigns/class campaigns/exciting solo content which DF doesn't have, at least not on the website. I'm sure the renown campaigns will be similar but it isn't the "retake Lordaeron" or "regrow Teldrassil" people are claiming for.

    I'm not sure this is the biggest audience, but it's definitely a loud one on social media. And the lack of any of these in DF makes it seem boring to a lot of them.
    People "want" a lot of things. But realistically, how worth it would it be to implement those features. People may "want" housing, yet they will spend 30 minutes doing some housing stuff and then return to idling in Orgrimmar.

  18. #60198
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People "want" a lot of things. But realistically, how worth it would it be to implement those features. People may "want" housing, yet they will spend 30 minutes doing some housing stuff and then return to idling in Orgrimmar.
    Literally every MMO with housing has a sizable community that lives for it and mostly it. It would be a good investment to keep players subbed during contentless periods.

    XIV and ESO, the big competitors, prove that it's worth it. People pay money just to rent!

  19. #60199
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Literally every MMO with housing has a sizable community that lives for it and mostly it. It would be a good investment to keep players subbed during contentless periods.

    XIV and ESO, the big competitors, prove that it's worth it. People pay money just to rent!
    XIVs and ESOs playerbases are completely different to WoWs though.

  20. #60200
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    XIVs and ESOs playerbases are completely different to WoWs though.
    Considering the amount of WoW players who beg for things from those games or leave WoW to play those games (almost always due to solo content or the emphasis on player appearance) it's not completely different.

    Not willing to argue about what the "silent majority" wants though.

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