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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    And by this logic WHERE would he place his seat of power?
    The Firelands?

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    I think this lines up with a late November release.

    August/September/October then half of November for the season. Prepatch for two weeks then launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    The Firelands?
    The Firelands did not exist in primordial Azeroth. I was talking about where Ragnaros was based ON Azeroth before the Black Empire and before the Keepers created the Elemental Planes to lock him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    And by this logic WHERE would he place his seat of power?
    Two likely possibility's really.

    he wouldn’t have one as he’d be to short tempered for the whole base thing and would just roam around spawning volcanos burning stuff and picking fights.

    Or the highest most Blatant point he could find (black rock spire) as a challenge to the other lords as he was all about up front combat and crushing his enemy’s so he’d want them to know where to find him to throw down and show his superiority over there scheming ways.
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    Why are we speculating about Ragnaros suddenly

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Why are we speculating about Ragnaros suddenly
    Because Firelands were merely a setback.

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    less than 350 jailer kills, shadowlands really sent wow into the afterlife eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    If any thing He’d likely have some above ground fort or even use black rock as a throne like that one elemental in ashenvale.
    Black Rock didn't exist back then as it was also formed when Ragnaros was summoned by the dwarves. Though your point does stand for any other mountain.

    "The mountain is actually a volcano that was created at the end of the War of the Three Hammers when the Dark Iron lord, Thaurissan, accidentally summoned Ragnaros the Firelord from his prison in the Firelands. The power unleashed by his "rebirth" was so massive it shattered a large section of the Redridge Mountains creating the areas now known as the Searing Gorge and Burning Steppes, creating Blackrock Mountain."
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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Very interesting that the hardest tier of all time is also one of the shortest.
    Hardest tier (if it really is) that is also nerfed the hardest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Black Rock didn't exist back then as it was also formed when Ragnaros was summoned by the dwarves. Though your point does stand for any other mountain.

    "The mountain is actually a volcano that was created at the end of the War of the Three Hammers when the Dark Iron lord, Thaurissan, accidentally summoned Ragnaros the Firelord from his prison in the Firelands. The power unleashed by his "rebirth" was so massive it shattered a large section of the Redridge Mountains creating the areas now known as the Searing Gorge and Burning Steppes, creating Blackrock Mountain."
    Ah I must have missed/forgotten that then.

    He’d likely just be stomping around full time then, assuming the caves the dwarfs took root in even existed back then he likely wouldn’t want to squish down there and put him self at risk of cave in without even a cool volcano on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Hardest tier (if it really is) that is also nerfed the hardest.
    It's also the first last tier in a long time where it doesn't have some "borrowed power" nerf mechanic.

    MoP had the Cloak, WoD had the upgradeable ring, Legion had the dump trait and the upgradeable trinket, BfA had Corruptions and the cape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's also the first last tier in a long time where it doesn't have some "borrowed power" nerf mechanic.

    MoP had the Cloak, WoD had the upgradeable ring, Legion had the dump trait, BfA had Corruptions.
    Don't forget the shit with the artifacts going crazy in Legion that made everyone insanely OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The Firelands did not exist in primordial Azeroth. I was talking about where Ragnaros was based ON Azeroth before the Black Empire and before the Keepers created the Elemental Planes to lock him up.
    The Elementals lost a war against the Old Gods so a map post-war isn't nessacarily where they had an HQ pre-war. So Ragnaros, or any elemental, could have been based anywhere. There just isn't much lore about anything to do with the Elementals or that time period on Azeroth. Chronicles brushed over it because it wasn't important to flesh out at the time but I think we will get some hints this expansion.

    Since it is pretty clear the theme is the Primordial Azeroth vs Titan and it is implied the aspects get their power back somehow. I'm guessing the Titans don't come back and we will see more elemental/early lore defined. Maybe even some first one lore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's also the first last tier in a long time where it doesn't have some "borrowed power" nerf mechanic.

    MoP had the Cloak, WoD had the upgradeable ring, Legion had the dump trait and the upgradeable trinket, BfA had Corruptions and the cape.
    Ilvl is going to explode. That is the "nerf: mechanic. I think they said normal Season 4 M0s are going to drop 268.

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    My current prediction (assuming they will finish Beta in time) for date is 15th November. I think 22nd November is latest possible date (if we want usual raid schedule and raiders spending Christmas with families), but this is Thanksgiving week, so not 100% comfortable for Blizz (it happened in SL though, of course with delayed release).

    So 15th would imply 25th October pre-patch, which lines up with S4 starting on 2nd August (12 weeks, 4 'rounds').

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    Ilvl is going to explode. That is the "nerf: mechanic. I think they said normal Season 4 M0s are going to drop 268.
    Except surely AOTC/CE won't be achievable in S4.

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    Not gonna lie, this early S4 really fucks up my guild, and many others. We may not get CE at this point. Five months final CE tier? C'mon Blizz. Goddamn WoD had 14 months.
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    I don't know about cutting edge, but AOTC will be.

    I think. I guess I'm not sure about that but I could swear I've read they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    And by this logic WHERE would he place his seat of power?
    Why would their be one?

    They are elemental spirits, manifestations of primal elemental energy.
    Their 'seat of power' is literally the whole planet.

    Draenor didn't have a designated HQ for its elements either, and their elements aren't as chaotic and unhinged as Azeroths are.
    The chronicle map doesn't help either as that's just how the Black Empire segregated them.



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