Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Does your own source explicitly state spirit was involved? No. So why are you asking for a source to disprove what Chronicles doesn't even state?

So that's a no, none of your suggestions have the same backing as spirit calming the elements and then them turning to flesh.

You stated that you think the Great Dark is the "Lifelands" because Elune has a presence. That means that the Great Dark has to be the "Voidlands" because Old Gods have a presence. Or the "Orderlands" because Titans have a presence. Or the "Lightlands" because the Naaru have a presence. You are the one that made a stupid claim and now won't admit that it was stupid despite you also stating the presence of something isn't an indication of anything.

The Great Dark is simply the Physical plane. It is already established to be something apart from the various cosmic realms.

again the old gods/Naaru aren't the pantheons of void/light unlike elune or the titans, what aren't you getting here?

If the void lords or light lords were in the great dark mabye you'd have a point but they aren't so you don't.

[Xilurm]

So what you're saying is, in another universe SL gave(Warning I am not saying I hate SL) WoW 200 million subs?

In another universe WoW is a virtual reality MMO and people have completely given up on real life.

[rhorle]

It's essentially the base system They wanted to get it tested immediately so we get level 55 and two abilities

If you look at the talents the system is not much more then the base system. You just unlock different ways of doing the same thing or doing it for longer. Or providing a temporary buff or something. A lot of the stuff doesn't even seem to involve the flying aspect but unlocking different ways to do world quests or other "World content" things.

Don't get me wrong I am still excited about it and the talents. It just sounds like a lot of people are over-hyping it. Just as some are under-hyping or hating on it more then it deserves.

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So that's a no, none of your suggestions have the same backing as spirit calming the elements and then them turning to flesh.

The Chronicles doesn't state spirit has that effect. Chronicles only states they became less aggressive but not the source. Again you are using head canon to fill in the blanks of the lore.

again the old gods/Naaru aren't the pantheons of void/light unlike elune or the titans, what aren't you getting here?

Old Gods are on the same level as the Titans. The same level as the Naaru. The same level as Elune. The presence of a cosmic force doesn't mean the Great Dark Beyond is actually their realm. It isn't what I don't get but what you don't get. You made a silly argument and instead of saying it was silly you double down. Remember Elune is the "sister" of an Eternal One. The Eternal ones are not on the same level as Void Lords.

You've proven your statement to be false while also claiming it is right but only for Elune and/or Titans.

[Xilurm]

The Titans could literally squash the Old Gods if they wanted, the reason they didn't is because it hurt Azeroth.

[Revamp Man]

The Old Gods are not on the level of the Titans. Quit spreading misinformation.

No no they totally are which is why a titan keeper just ripped one out and killed it

Old gods are the equivalent of keepers
Void lords are tge equivalent of titans in the grand scheme of the design

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The Chronicles doesn't state spirit has that effect. Chronicles only states they became less aggressive but not the source. Again you are using head canon to fill in the blanks of the lore.

Chronicle's actually does directly state enough spirit calms the elements and then that the calmed elements turn to flesh even if it doesn't directly say spirit turned them to flesh.

what it doesn't do is even vaguely support any of your ideas.

Old Gods are on the same level as the Titans. The same level as the Naaru. The same level as Elune.

Lol, No.

[rhorle]

No no they totally are which is why a titan keeper just ripped one out and killed it

A Titan Keeper did not rip any Old God out.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

No no they totally are which is why a titan keeper just ripped one out and killed it

A titan Keeper DID NOT rip an old god out. That was Aman'thul an actual titan. Titan Keeper are beings like Freya,Thorim,Loken, Odyn.

[Revamp Man]

I can't wait to see galakrond return as an actual threat
By the end of the first raid we should have an idea who the expansion end boss will be and I can only assume right now with no extra context that it will be him via infinite stuff.

We are getting a new island expedition style system in a patch and the creation Catalyst system might be sticking around

This is literally a "if fans ran wow" expansion

[rhorle]

Chronicle's actually does directly state enough spirit calms the elements and then that the calmed elements turn to flesh even if it doesn't directly say spirit turned them to flesh.

Again, no. Re-read the source you provided in this very thread. It states nothing about spirit causing the elementals to turn "organic". It just says over time they turned less aggressive and became "organic". Again at no point is spirit mentioned as the cause of them becoming organic. That is something you've inserted yourself based on "less aggressive" being used.

If it supports your idea then it also supports my ideas. Because it is vague on what caused an elemental to turn "organic". Strange right? That something being vague is only vague when it doesn't support your claim.

Lol, No.

You stated that Elune was the same level as a Titan. So Eternal Ones, Keepers, and Old Gods need to be the same level as Titans since Elune is the same level as a Eternal One. The Titans may also be below the First Ones. The problem with the lore is that Blizzard has indicated it is heavily biased towards the Titans and paints only their viewpoint of things. They've expanded it beyond just that and the Titans could actually be creations of the First Ones as well. Azeroth could even be a First One rather then a Titan which explains why every cosmic force is interested in "owning" her.

[Revamp Man]

A titan Keeper DID NOT rip an old god out. That was Aman'thul an actual titan. Titan Keeper are beings like Freya,Thorim,Loken, Odyn.

Yeah got my wires a tad crossed

[Aeluron Lightsong]

LivingWorld mystery solved?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...39736752689152

If we don't get more updates on Living World, then this is......well very deflating lol. Just goes show how out of context datamining can be.

[TS26]

Primal Incarnates are supposed to be at the power level of pre-Dragon Soul nerf Aspects. So VERY strong.

I think Murozond makes a better final villain. The difference with Galakrond is that Murozond allows for far more outcomes that lead in to the next xpac. Galakrond is just a massive zombie dragon.

the issue with murozond is that he won't really die if he's the final villain since we kill him in end times

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Again, no. Re-read the source you provided in this very thread. It states nothing about spirit causing the elementals to turn "organic". It just says over time they turned less aggressive and became "organic".

so my view.

Step one, enough Spirit calms the elements. Step two, the titans stop the Spirit from getting eaten by azeroth. Step three, the elements are calmed. Step four the elements being calmed turns them to flesh.

and then your view.

Step one, it could be something else you don't know that it's not. Step two, list abunch of stuff with no backing any where in chronicles.

So no my idea doesn't support yours as well, as nothing you actually listed has any basis any where in chronicles where my idea is all backed up directly by chronicles even if not directly linked together.

You stated that Elune was the same level as a Titan.

actually no, I said that the old gods/naaru are not part of the pantheon of void/light unlike elune and the titans being part of the pantheon of life/order. You then turned that to them being on the same level even though all I said was that Elune and the titans are pantheon members while the old goids/naaru are not.

you are willing missing the point about the pantheons because you don't want to admit to being wrong.

[Nymrohd]

the issue with murozond is that he won't really die if he's the final villain since we kill him in end times

Imo the only way to kill Murozond is to remove him from the timeline? That's what works with 4D being, you don't kill them, you remove them.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Imo the only way to kill Murozond is to remove him from the timeline? That's what works with 4D being, you don't kill them, you remove them.

*Reverse flash Snicker*


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[Revamp Man]

Imo the only way to kill Murozond is to remove him from the timeline? That's what works with 4D being, you don't kill them, you remove them.

Eh if we fight him he'll just jump to the old dungeon and die in cata. He's essentially just the Doctor but evil so we just fight him but won't kill him because we already know his death

[Nymrohd]

*Reverse flash Snicker*


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I mean grab Soridormi, maybe Chromie, get the Eye of Aman'thul and remove Nozdormu from the timeline into a pocket plane out of time. No Nozdormu, no Murozond.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

LivingWorld mystery solved?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...39736752689152

Man remember when we thought this was like.... "Lifelands Confirmed?"

Goes to show speculation season really doesn't matter. It was just butterflies.

[Lahis]

Aw, maybe soon.

Music always comes at the very end of beta.

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Unless the Wowhead datamining nameis just something they made up, it looks like the crab-like creatures that look like Mantid ARE actually "Primal Mantid".

Also I think one of the Primals is a dungeon boss. So they won't all be raid bosses like the storm one.

LOTS of Stone Sethrak variants. Maybe they are getting origin lore this expansion? Which is odd, as Sethraliss is a wild god.

The files don't have identifiable filenames anymore (basically just number IDs) , so that is WoW head's asspull.