Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[rhorle]

It's implied through the Cosmology chart but I don't think anything has concretely said "Elements come from the plane of Life". As in the same place the Dream comes from.

Chronicles says that Elementals came from shards of light hitting planets and giving those planets the spark of life. So if they are from anything they would be from the initial battle between Void and Light that created everything else. The "Plane of Life" would have been created at the same time and not really the source of elementals.

[Cheezits]

Chronicles says that Elementals came from shards of light hitting planets and giving those planets the spark of life. So if they are from anything they would be from the initial battle between Void and Light that created everything else. The "Plane of Life" would have been created at the same time and not really the source of elementals.

Could they not be the Old God/Naaru/Nathrezim equivalent of Life that is shot out to planets to spread influence?

[ChairmanKaga]

Love seeing new models for DF. SL's aesthetic was mostly a miss for me.

[rhorle]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The...te-Chronicle-3

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Centaur#History

Implies that the offspring of Zaetar was only a specific group of Centaur as the Dragon Isles have Centaur that existed before his offspring were born. Chronicles states Zaetar and Theradras had children around 1,100 years ago. Where as the Centaur on the Dragon Isles are way older.

[Valysar]

Lots of new models I see, but not so many new skeletons

[rhorle]

Could they not be the Old God/Naaru/Nathrezim equivalent of Life that is shot out to planets to spread influence?

No. The shards that created elementals came from the explosion between Light and Void that is the "origin" for the universe and everything else. Could Blizzard change it to something like you say with out really doing a retcon? Sure because "legends" and the biased narrator. But it seems clear the intent is that nothing was behind their existence.

If something was going to be attributed to life it would likely be the Evergrowth or similar entity. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Evergrowth

[Kiivar86]

Lots of new models I see, but not so many new skeletons

No need to reinvent the wheel. I never fully understood why some people (not saying you, Valysar, just in general) get hung up on skeleton re-usage. So long as the body around it is relatively different, what's the harm?

Only so many ways you can set up a bird skeleton or ground lizard, anyway.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_spirit

It doesn't say anything that spirit turns elementals to flesh. Only that spirit determines how aggressive or peaceful elemental spirits are. To little and they turn aggresive. To much and they turn peaceful.

it’s in chronicles at the origin of the proto drakes. sprit calms the elements and then an element at X lvl of calm turns to flesh, Azeroth eating up all the sprit stopped it from happening on Azeroth until the Titan showed up and fixed things.

The Great Dark is "outer space". If it is the plane of life then we are already in the Lifelands, right?

ya we’d already be in the life lands which makes a kind of sense when elune has so much stuff in the great dark and is apparently part of the pantheon of life.

If you compare say ardenweld for example the winter queen has servants (night elfs) a magic process for rebirth (emerald dream) and abunch of little pet races like the soul shapes and fairy’s (owl beast dyrads ect) only real thing missing is elune walking around like the winter queen does and she presumably used to given that she had time to shag malorne.

[Akta]

Lots of new models I see, but not so many new skeletons

We already have many so who cares ?

[Pyrophax]

Maybe in 1000th time in this thread, but that datamining hits dreams about world rewamp nerve really hard.
New Fugborgs, gnolls, treants, ships, centaurs, stone giants, lightning lizards, mamoths, dragons (ofc), dryads even rumors about new throne room in Orgrimmar. All that stuff litterally calls for updating old world in future. Thay are even adding revenants, just from wc3!
And for that - it will be WoW 10expansion, it call to do some big and meaty dlc.

[Makabreska]

Love seeing new models for DF. SL's aesthetic was mostly a miss for me.

Ye, same here. I was excited for SL, but this otherworldly aesthetic quickly wore off for me. Primal, back-to-basic DF motifs are one of the biggest pros of the expansion.

also

Loving that Lost Dwarves are back in new Uldaman!

[rhorle]

sprit calms the elements and then an element at X lvl of calm turns to flesh, Azeroth eating up all the sprit stopped it from happening on Azeroth until the Titan showed up and fixed things.

Strange then that it doesn't state anything about spirit turning a elemental into flesh, right? It could have been for lots of different reasons. For example side effect of the Elemental Prison. A "curse of flesh" type of thing from the Old Gods. You are inferring something that isn't stated.

ya we’d already be in the life lands which makes a kind of sense when elune has so much stuff in the great dark and is apparently part of the pantheon of life.

The Great Dark is the "physical universe". Of course there would be a lot of stuff related to the different cosmic forces because that is what all the cosmic forces are fighting over. Your logic indicates that it could just as easily be the Void realm because old gods are every where, right? Or the Light realm because Naaru are everywhere. Or any other realm because of the presence of beings of those forces.

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All that stuff litterally calls for updating old world in future. Thay are even adding revenants, just from wc3!

Not really because every expansion sees updates to old content when they share models for the newer content.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Strange then that it doesn't state anything about spirit turning a elemental into flesh, right? It could have been for lots of different reasons. For example side effect of the Elemental Prison. A "curse of flesh" type of thing from the Old Gods. You are inferring something that isn't stated.

I mean sure it could have been any number of reason but chronicles only lays out one that actual fits what they tell us about elements and spirit.

that being, spirit causes the elements to calm or rage based on the amount of it, Azeroth’s world soul was eating most of it leading to no organic life as the elements raged to much, the titans brought the amount of spirit in line with what is normal for planets, after doing so the elements were calmed, the calmed elements turned to flesh.

And then of course in the 2nd vol they tell us that draenor was so calm that they had a extreme amount of organic life of every type, again caused directly by sprit.

The Great Dark is the "physical universe". Of course there would be a lot of stuff related to the different cosmic forces because that is what all the cosmic forces are fighting over. Your logic indicates that it could just as easily be the Void realm because old gods are every where, right? Or the Light realm because Naaru are everywhere. Or any other realm because of the presence of beings of those forces.

the old gods are not the pantheon of the void neither are the Naaru the one of the light, the void/life pantheon have never actually been present in the great dark like how the pantheon of death is in the shadowlands.

Elune on the other hand (and the titans) have been present in the great dark(shagging stags) and haven’t been limited to sending minions through various vails just like the winter queen and others are all present in the shadowlands and have shaped it in various ways.

So no not quite the same as the void/light.

[Nymrohd]

Maybe in 1000th time in this thread, but that datamining hits dreams about world rewamp nerve really hard.
New Fugborgs, gnolls, treants, ships, centaurs, stone giants, lightning lizards, mamoths, dragons (ofc), dryads even rumors about new throne room in Orgrimmar. All that stuff litterally calls for updating old world in future. Thay are even adding revenants, just from wc3!
And for that - it will be WoW 10expansion, it call to do some big and meaty dlc.

And 20 year anniversary, 30 for the franchise.

[boyzma]

Not to change the subject....but. Anyone else notice how the most optimistic bubbly poster on here just disappeared as soon as alpha dropped? Think his last post was something like "enjoy the alpha" and then totally gone. I think it's odd, perhaps he was a Blizzard plant, who knows?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Finally the Infinite Dragonflight return in some capacity. Is that model just a random Infinite adult dragon or is that Murozond?

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Not to change the subject....but. Anyone else notice how the most optimistic bubbly poster on here just disappeared as soon as alpha dropped? Think his last post was something like "enjoy the alpha" and then totally gone. I think it's odd, perhaps he was a Blizzard plant, who knows?

It was the same exact way leading up to the Dragonflight announcement. Same M.O.


Everybody is privy to it… except that poster in question. Curious.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't even know what to believe. I know Blizz would be self aware of MMO-Champion but enough to put a random user among us(How very sussy), I dunno feels too tinfoil.

[Kiivar86]

I don't even know what to believe. I know Blizz would be self aware of MMO-Champion but enough to put a random user among us(How very sussy), I dunno feels too tinfoil.

I mean they used to lurk and read Scrolls of Lore.

I'd be shocked if some aren't here, too.

Finally the Infinite Dragonflight return in some capacity. Is that model just a random Infinite adult dragon or is that Murozond?

Doubt its Murozond, his model from Cataclysm was different, more horns and such. That's just a "normal" infinite dragon.

[Cheezits]

Maybe in 1000th time in this thread, but that datamining hits dreams about world rewamp nerve really hard.
New Fugborgs, gnolls, treants, ships, centaurs, stone giants, lightning lizards, mamoths, dragons (ofc), dryads even rumors about new throne room in Orgrimmar. All that stuff litterally calls for updating old world in future. Thay are even adding revenants, just from wc3!
And for that - it will be WoW 10expansion, it call to do some big and meaty dlc.

What's this about a new throne room in Org?

Also the only NPC/creature models to update are a handful now like Giraffes, Lynxes and Dragonhawks, and it make sense the latter two aren't updated yet because they only exist in SMC. Any other ones we are missing?

The new HD airships and boats also really point to revamp as well.

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Not really because every expansion sees updates to old content when they share models for the newer content.

It's actually pretty suspicious that centaurs and gnolls feature in this expansion when they have zero prior connection to dragons AND they were two of the last remaining Azeroth/EK NPC models that need updating. They absolutely could have seen that they were last on the checklist and so they baked them into the new expansion setting so that their model updates were warranted.

what other Vanilla NPC race needs a model update now? That one mob in Deadmines?

[rhorle]

I mean sure it could have been any number of reason but chronicles only lays out one that actual fits what they tell us about elements and spirit.

It does not. Unless it is explicitly stated as the cause then it doesn't lay out only one thing. It could have been natural evolution. It could have been influence of the Keepers that sealed away the rest of them. It could have been Wild Gods. It could have been a lingering effect of the Old Gods who once subjagated the Elementals of Azeroth. You are trying to force your head canon interpretation as the only thing when it doesn't state any of that.

There was other Organic life on Azeroth, according to your own source, when some elementals evolved to "flesh and blood". Which defeats your own argument that Azeroth eating spirit caused no organic life to be possible. It even ignores how the Old Gods had the Aqir, organic life, as servants prior to the Elementals being sealed in their prison. There are a lot of known things, and a lot of unknown things, that could have influence elementals turning organic that you are ignoring.

So no not quite the same as the void/light.

Lmao. So it is the Life plane because of Elune being everywhere but it can't be any other, despite elune and titan level creatures being present because it is somehow different?