Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Xilurm]

How do we have info about 10.1 already?

[Sondrelk]

How do we have info about 10.1 already?

There is an underground map in the files that reads something like "Underground map. Delete immediately. Not to be shown until 10.1. 5-man group". Which surprise-surprise seems to hint at an underground patch.

Of course, given how aggressively it hints at 10.1 it was either supposed to be deleted by now and noone did, or some developers are actually giving hints/trolling the playerbase.

[Cheezits]

How do we have info about 10.1 already?

Same way we knew that BFA 8.1 would be an attack on Dazar'alor: leaked map file at launch. Nazjatar and "Mechagnome Cave" were also on the initial map list (as well as Plunder Isle which sadly didn't make it)

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There is an underground map in the files that reads something like "Underground map. Delete immediately. Not to be shown until 10.1. 5-man group". Which surprise-surprise seems to hint at an underground patch.

Of course, given how aggressively it hints at 10.1 it was either supposed to be deleted by now and noone did, or some developers are actually giving hints/trolling the playerbase.

Oh it's a 5 man? Sounds like the mega dungeon they already mentioned they have plans for.

[Xilurm]

There is an underground map in the files that reads something like "Underground map. Delete immediately. Not to be shown until 10.1. 5-man group". Which surprise-surprise seems to hint at an underground patch.

Of course, given how aggressively it hints at 10.1 it was either supposed to be deleted by now and noone did, or some developers are actually giving hints/trolling the playerbase.

Same way we knew that BFA 8.1 would be an attack on Dazar'alor: leaked map file at launch. Nazjatar and "Mechagnome Cave" were also on the initial map list (as well as Plunder Isle which sadly didn't make it)

Damn, I thought they wanted to be more careful with stuff like that.

[Sondrelk]

Damn, I thought they wanted to be more careful with stuff like that.

Well as I mentioned, my current theory is that this is the developers being cheeky by leaving obvious hints. Whether as red herrings or not we will have to wait and see, but given just how aggressively the map was marked I do lean towards this being some kind of developer trolling.

Though then again, raids have been spoiled before. As mentioned we had Battle for Dazar'alor being mentioned as a raid in the map files.
Though then again again, we also had heavy hints towards a Barrens Warfront, including a portion of the Barrens playing Warfront music, and we never saw anything come from that, so who knows at this point.

[rhorle]

Step one, it could be something else you don't know that it's not.

Right. The Chronicles doesn't state what made the elements into "organic" things. No where does it state enough spirit turns them into flesh. You also don't have anything to show that the Titans stopped Azeroth from eating spirit. Why would they harm the world soul of something it can feed off of? Strange, right? You even agreed earlier that it could have been any number of things while now arguing that it can only be one thing. One thing that isn't stated to be the cause in the lore.

All the Chronicles, your one source, states is that the elementals that escaped banishment became less aggressive. That doesn't a ton of spirit caused them to become flesh. In fact the parts that state what spirit does to elementals doesn't indicate that is an outcome of "to much spirit".

actually no, I said that the old gods/naaru are not part of the pantheon of void/light unlike elune and the titans being part of the pantheon of life/order. You then turned that to them being on the same level even though all I said was that Elune and the titans are pantheon members while the old goids/naaru are not.

The plane of life could just be the great dark as we already have the elements stay in the great dark when they die and sprit which causes all life is an element as well.

ya we’d already be in the life lands which makes a kind of sense when elune has so much stuff in the great dark and is apparently part of the pantheon of life.

Right. You claimed if there is a presence of a cosmic force in the Great Dark Beyond than that means it they can be given ownership of that realm. Which conflicts because we can't both be in the "Lifelands" and the "Orderlands" even though you stated that is what it would be. Every Cosmic force has a representation in the Great Dark Beyond which means that every cosmic force could said to call it their home by your logic.

You are the one that tried to make a claim that the Pantheon has to be present in order for ownership to exist as a way to arbitrarily dismiss why your theory is right.

[boyzma]

I don't like the Dracthyr's dragon form with armor...much rather prefer to hide it all and just have them nekid (natural)

[rhorle]

Imo the only way to kill Murozond is to remove him from the timeline? That's what works with 4D being, you don't kill them, you remove them.

He has been. End Time, the instance, was a time way that Murozond was hiding in. He stole the Hourglass of Time and prevented us from going into the past. The Hourglass was created by Nozdormu to help defeat him (Murozond) according to his vision. Murozond is dead but since his death took part in the past he can still appear as he hasn't been born yet.

The Infinite doesn't have to die with the death of Murozond as any other Bronze (or Infinite) dragon can take up that helm. It just requires them to find something to grant them powers which is what Dragonflight is exploring. Since the Aspects and those who were never aspects (Black and Green) will be finding a way to get their power back to stop the Primals.

I have a theory that the Titans turn out to be bad and Azeroth is a first one (or something new) that we have to protect. So the Dragons get empowered by the Elements/Azeroth by the end of the expansion. Nothing to confirm it and we will have to see how Blizzard does the story.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

"Titans turn out to be bad"


That sounds...lame and just slapping the Titans down. (The idea even if its presented in the most epic way possible). Like I get the first ones exist but I don't think we should just treat them like fodder afterwords.

[rhorle]

That sounds...lame and just slapping the Titans down. (The idea even if its presented in the most epic way possible). Like I get the first ones exist but I don't think we should just treat them like fodder afterwords.

The Titan's built a machine to kill every living thing on the planet. They have never really been on our side. We have just wanted to defeat/defend the same things they have for our own good. Think of it just like Xera and Illidan. The Naaru were always shown to be "good" until we were shown another side that makes them more zealots and potentially a threat. Also shown with Alt-Dreanor.

It really just seems a natural conclusion of the lore. Azeroth being a world soul, and the most powerful one ever found, is something the Titans are using. They just wrote history because they were the victors.

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Of course, given how aggressively it hints at 10.1 it was either supposed to be deleted by now and noone did, or some developers are actually giving hints/trolling the playerbase.

Dragon Isles Underground [WARNING: MUST be kept flagged "DEVELOPMENT MAP" until 10.1] (New) - Directory: 2454. Type: Normal.
Dragon Isles Underground [WARNING: MUST be kept flagged "DEVELOPMENT MAP" until 10.1] (New) - Max players: 5.

It may still be flagged since all we have is a string about it. Though the keep flagged part could be a failing of their new encryption to keep even that string hidden. It could just be a dev space or demo that they would no longer use after 10.1 or something. A few other lines refer to tech demo or onboarding areas.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Right. The Chronicles doesn't state what made the elements into "organic" things. No where does it state enough spirit turns them into flesh. You also don't have anything to show that the Titans stopped Azeroth from eating spirit.

Vol 1 page 37 and 38, the titans made the force of wills to feed Azeroth cosmic energy and repurposed the spirit to give sentience to rock and metal instead.

All the Chronicles, your one source, states is that the elementals that escaped banishment became less aggressive. That doesn't a ton of spirit caused them to become flesh. In fact the parts that state what spirit does to elementals doesn't indicate that is an outcome of "to much spirit".

chronicles vol 2 page 12, a abundance of spirit calms the elements to the point where they can’t walk about and causes mass growth of organic life.

So we have spirit calming the elements, the titans feeding Azeroth cosmic energy and repurposing spirit, calming of the elements leading them to turning to flesh. There is literally every thing supporting the idea other then them just saying spirit turned the elements to flesh and nothing at all supporting any of your alternative ideas.

Right. You claimed if there is a presence of a cosmic force in the Great Dark Beyond than that means it they can be given ownership of that realm

no I claimed that if the PANTHEON is present it could be given owner ship, I specifically pointed to Elune the pantheon member being present which you are still ignoring because you know the old gods and Naaru aren’t part of there pantheons but you don’t want to admit to being wrong.

Which conflicts because we can't both be in the "Lifelands" and the "Orderlands" even though you stated that is what it would be.

there is no way to know it can’t be both all we know is that pantheon members are tied to there various plains and that the pantheon members of the light and void aren’t in the great dark.

[Cheezits]

The updated human buildings in the files continue in Dragonflight!

https://twitter.com/raiden_ssjv/stat..._FSLpnPQjIr8bg

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Why would anyone wanna play another class with Dracthyr in the game in Dragonflight
Can fly
Can fly in old zones
Look really cool
A ton of cool abilities
Loads of customization!

they look one of the best things we've gotten in the game to be honest. if they could be other races and tank then this would be the most played class in the game

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The updated human buildings in the files continue in Dragonflight!

https://twitter.com/raiden_ssjv/stat..._FSLpnPQjIr8bg

awesome. hope they redo sw and org in 10.1

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The updated human buildings in the files continue in Dragonflight!

https://twitter.com/raiden_ssjv/stat..._FSLpnPQjIr8bg

Its gonna turn into a "Will they or won't they" at this point.

[KainneAbsolute]

I wonder if Blizzard wants to follow the movie Eternals:
- Keepers=Eternals
- Titans don't care about mortals, but they are ok if they keep the world soul safe
- Titan only cares the world soul is born; if all mortals on the planet die is an acceptable side effect

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I wonder if Blizzard wants to follow the movie Eternals:
- Keepers=Eternals
- Titans don't care about mortals, but they are ok if they keep the world soul safe
- Titan only cares the world soul is born; if all mortals on the planet die is an acceptable side effect

going by what steve likes we might just have an insane alextrasza burn down stormwind

[MightyWarrior]

I hope the story of Dragonflight ends with a bang that causes us to get a world revamp

[rhorle]

Vol 1 page 37 and 38, the titans made the force of wills to feed Azeroth cosmic energy and repurposed the spirit to give sentience to rock and metal instead.

The Forge of Wills was created to draw cosmic forces to Azeroth to help bolster the world soul. You stated that they stopped Azeroth from feeding on spirit which is contradicted by the information you brought up by the Forge of Wills. Your source indicates the Titans made it so Azeroth was "eating" more cosmic energy and not less. So the elements wouldn't have had an abundance of spirit but less, right? Again you keep inserting your own headcanon just to defend your incorrect assertions.

chronicles vol 2 page 12, a abundance of spirit calms the elements to the point where they can’t walk about and causes mass growth of organic life.

It does not however state that it causes elemental spirits to turn organic. It was never in doubt that spirit calms elements when present in large amounts. Page 12 clearly indicates the elementals of Dreanor were prevented from taking a physical form by the large amounts of spirit. That large amount of spirit caused flora and fauna (not elementals) to explode over the planet. It is amazing how you cherry pick lore from Chronicles that actually disproves your claims.

no I claimed that if the PANTHEON is present it could be given owner ship, I specifically pointed to Elune the pantheon member being present which you are still ignoring because you know the old gods and Naaru aren’t part of there pantheons but you don’t want to admit to being wrong.

Right. And forces of all pantheons have been present in the Great Dark Beyond. No one owns it because it isn't a plane of existence for just one cosmic force. There is a way to know if it can't be both. Because then it wouldn't be "Lifelands". It is that simple because Lifelands is the term the community uses to reference that yet named plane of Life. You also don't know that the Pantheon of Light isn't in the GDB. All you keep doing is using your head canon assumptions to argue as if they are facts.

Like I originally said your logic is silly. It doesn't become the lifelands simply because members of the Life cosmic force are present even if they are Pantheon-level.

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I wonder if Blizzard wants to follow the movie Eternals:

It would have to be the comics as we've known since WotLK that the Titans (and keepers) don't really care about mortal life being preserved.

[The Stormbringer]

The new infinite models look amazing.

Can I play this instead of Dracthyr? Hooolyyy shiiiit.

[KainneAbsolute]

going by what steve likes we might just have an insane alextrasza burn down stormwind

Primal-infused time-twisted Alextrasza ready to take revenge over the Horde

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Can I play this instead of Dracthyr? Hooolyyy shiiiit.

Blizzard has a gold mine and they don't notice it