Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

Man, Dragonriding looks rough af. They need to put a ton of work into that feature to make it not look as cheap as it's looking right now in alpha.

[Revamp Man]

The last two expansions blizzard was very shit in terms of communication and design philosophy and feedback reception. Heck Ion was pretty defensive and kinda monotone in the interviews or deflected.

This time?? It seems better. We get posts explaining incoming changes and reasoning for the talents and the incoming adjustments. Ion also just looks different in these interviews and seems a bit less like a battered messenger. They also found a fun way to hide story.

I'm waiting a bit but unlike the last two expansions I'm pretty excited...especially with the return of group loot and removal of ilvl restrictions which means my raid can have our tier sets and trinkets faster by using personal loot on a boss with an OP trinket and half of us speccing into healer loot.

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"We give up you win we won't try to make fights super challenging at your level" made me laugh

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Man, Dragonriding looks rough af. They need to put a ton of work into that feature to make it not look as cheap as it's looking right now in alpha.

It's essentially the base system
They wanted to get it tested immediately so we get level 55 and two abilities

[Nyel]

It's essentially the base system
They wanted to get it tested immediately so we get level 55 and two abilities

And what exactly does that change? Unlocking more abilities won't make it look less cheap or more polished. It will double down on the issue of looking unfinished. And if this is the "base" system, aka what Dragonriding mostly is about (aka flying), it just further supports my point?

[Revamp Man]

And what exactly does that change? Unlocking more abilities won't make it look less cheap or more polished. It will double down on the issue of looking unfinished. And if this is the "base" system, aka what Dragonriding mostly is about (aka flying), it just further supports my point?

Sorry still half awake
The reason we are testing this system that looks so unfinished is because it's extremely unfinished but they wanted to get it in our hands early. It will look better but right now the focus is making sure it works

[Arafal]

Unfinished features in an unfinished product tend to look unfinished.

That said, the only thing that looks 'cheap' to me is the Skyward Ascent animation, the rest i don't see any issue with.

[Akta]

Dragon riding look neat something to fix but overall an amazing feature

[rhorle]

ok just one question then, does chronicles have any thing in it at all that actually points to any thing you listed being even implied on the same level as, spirit calms the elements, the elements turned to flesh once they were calmed?

Does your own source explicitly state spirit was involved? No. So why are you asking for a source to disprove what Chronicles doesn't even state?

did I say it couldn’t be any thing other then the plane of life or did I say the pantheons of light/void aren’t present?

ya we’d already be in the life lands which makes a kind of sense when elune has so much stuff in the great dark and is apparently part of the pantheon of life.

You stated that you think the Great Dark is the "Lifelands" because Elune has a presence. That means that the Great Dark has to be the "Voidlands" because Old Gods have a presence. Or the "Orderlands" because Titans have a presence. Or the "Lightlands" because the Naaru have a presence. You are the one that made a stupid claim and now won't admit that it was stupid despite you also stating the presence of something isn't an indication of anything.

The Great Dark is simply the Physical plane. It is already established to be something apart from the various cosmic realms.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Does your own source explicitly state spirit was involved? No. So why are you asking for a source to disprove what Chronicles doesn't even state?

So that's a no, none of your suggestions have the same backing as spirit calming the elements and then them turning to flesh.

You stated that you think the Great Dark is the "Lifelands" because Elune has a presence. That means that the Great Dark has to be the "Voidlands" because Old Gods have a presence. Or the "Orderlands" because Titans have a presence. Or the "Lightlands" because the Naaru have a presence. You are the one that made a stupid claim and now won't admit that it was stupid despite you also stating the presence of something isn't an indication of anything.

The Great Dark is simply the Physical plane. It is already established to be something apart from the various cosmic realms.

again the old gods/Naaru aren't the pantheons of void/light unlike elune or the titans, what aren't you getting here?

If the void lords or light lords were in the great dark mabye you'd have a point but they aren't so you don't.

[Xilurm]

So what you're saying is, in another universe SL gave(Warning I am not saying I hate SL) WoW 200 million subs?

In another universe WoW is a virtual reality MMO and people have completely given up on real life.

[rhorle]

It's essentially the base system They wanted to get it tested immediately so we get level 55 and two abilities

If you look at the talents the system is not much more then the base system. You just unlock different ways of doing the same thing or doing it for longer. Or providing a temporary buff or something. A lot of the stuff doesn't even seem to involve the flying aspect but unlocking different ways to do world quests or other "World content" things.

Don't get me wrong I am still excited about it and the talents. It just sounds like a lot of people are over-hyping it. Just as some are under-hyping or hating on it more then it deserves.

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So that's a no, none of your suggestions have the same backing as spirit calming the elements and then them turning to flesh.

The Chronicles doesn't state spirit has that effect. Chronicles only states they became less aggressive but not the source. Again you are using head canon to fill in the blanks of the lore.

again the old gods/Naaru aren't the pantheons of void/light unlike elune or the titans, what aren't you getting here?

Old Gods are on the same level as the Titans. The same level as the Naaru. The same level as Elune. The presence of a cosmic force doesn't mean the Great Dark Beyond is actually their realm. It isn't what I don't get but what you don't get. You made a silly argument and instead of saying it was silly you double down. Remember Elune is the "sister" of an Eternal One. The Eternal ones are not on the same level as Void Lords.

You've proven your statement to be false while also claiming it is right but only for Elune and/or Titans.

[Cosmicpreds]

If you look at the talents the system is not much more then the base system. You just unlock different ways of doing the same thing or doing it for longer. Or providing a temporary buff or something. A lot of the stuff doesn't even seem to involve the flying aspect but unlocking different ways to do world quests or other "World content" things.

Don't get me wrong I am still excited about it and the talents. It just sounds like a lot of people are over-hyping it. Just as some are under-hyping or hating on it more then it deserves.

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The Chronicles doesn't state spirit has that effect. Chronicles only states they became less aggressive but not the source. Again you are using head canon to fill in the blanks of the lore.



Old Gods are on the same level as the Titans. The same level as the Naaru. The same level as Elune. The presence of a cosmic force doesn't mean the Great Dark Beyond is actually their realm. It isn't what I don't get but what you don't get. You made a silly argument and instead of saying it was silly you double down. Remember Elune is the "sister" of an Eternal One. The Eternal ones are not on the same level as Void Lords.

You've proven your statement to be false while also claiming it is right but only for Elune and/or Titans.

The Old Gods are not on the level of the Titans. Quit spreading misinformation.

[Xilurm]

The Titans could literally squash the Old Gods if they wanted, the reason they didn't is because it hurt Azeroth.

[Revamp Man]

The Old Gods are not on the level of the Titans. Quit spreading misinformation.

No no they totally are which is why a titan keeper just ripped one out and killed it

Old gods are the equivalent of keepers
Void lords are tge equivalent of titans in the grand scheme of the design

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The Chronicles doesn't state spirit has that effect. Chronicles only states they became less aggressive but not the source. Again you are using head canon to fill in the blanks of the lore.

Chronicle's actually does directly state enough spirit calms the elements and then that the calmed elements turn to flesh even if it doesn't directly say spirit turned them to flesh.

what it doesn't do is even vaguely support any of your ideas.

Old Gods are on the same level as the Titans. The same level as the Naaru. The same level as Elune.

Lol, No.

[Cosmicpreds]

No no they totally are which is why a titan keeper just ripped one out and killed it

Old gods are the equivalent of keepers
Void lords are tge equivalent of titans in the grand scheme of the design

Weird contradiction here...

[rhorle]

No no they totally are which is why a titan keeper just ripped one out and killed it

A Titan Keeper did not rip any Old God out.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

No no they totally are which is why a titan keeper just ripped one out and killed it

A titan Keeper DID NOT rip an old god out. That was Aman'thul an actual titan. Titan Keeper are beings like Freya,Thorim,Loken, Odyn.

[Cosmicpreds]

The Titans could literally squash the Old Gods if they wanted, the reason they didn't is because it hurt Azeroth.

Literally this.

Besides, Sargeras can 1 shot a whole world full of Old Gods without care, and the most powerful got squashed like a lady bug VIA Aman'thuls hand.

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A titan Keeper DID NOT rip an old god out. That was Aman'thul an actual titan. Titan Keeper are beings like Freya,Thorim,Loken, Odyn.

Yeah, then he contradicts himself by saying "Keepers are Old God equivalent, and the Void Lords are Titan equivalent"

Like...ehhhh??? I mean he's right, but it's a total 180 from the first statement

[Revamp Man]

I can't wait to see galakrond return as an actual threat
By the end of the first raid we should have an idea who the expansion end boss will be and I can only assume right now with no extra context that it will be him via infinite stuff.

We are getting a new island expedition style system in a patch and the creation Catalyst system might be sticking around

This is literally a "if fans ran wow" expansion

[rhorle]

Chronicle's actually does directly state enough spirit calms the elements and then that the calmed elements turn to flesh even if it doesn't directly say spirit turned them to flesh.

Again, no. Re-read the source you provided in this very thread. It states nothing about spirit causing the elementals to turn "organic". It just says over time they turned less aggressive and became "organic". Again at no point is spirit mentioned as the cause of them becoming organic. That is something you've inserted yourself based on "less aggressive" being used.

If it supports your idea then it also supports my ideas. Because it is vague on what caused an elemental to turn "organic". Strange right? That something being vague is only vague when it doesn't support your claim.

Lol, No.

You stated that Elune was the same level as a Titan. So Eternal Ones, Keepers, and Old Gods need to be the same level as Titans since Elune is the same level as a Eternal One. The Titans may also be below the First Ones. The problem with the lore is that Blizzard has indicated it is heavily biased towards the Titans and paints only their viewpoint of things. They've expanded it beyond just that and the Titans could actually be creations of the First Ones as well. Azeroth could even be a First One rather then a Titan which explains why every cosmic force is interested in "owning" her.