Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

Or since he is clearly named after Ernest Hemingway, he could have developed depression and killed himself with his own gun. But that's not a plotline I would trust Danuser with.

Yeah I'm sure someone committing suicide due to depression is less controversial than a hunter killing animals in a video game.

[Nymrohd]

Yes. Even without the whole controversy around blizzard, Nessingwary big eff you to nature. Something had to be done. Either this or having him being mauled to death by tiger.

Or since he is clearly named after Ernest Hemingway, he could have developed depression and killed himself with his own gun. But that's not a plotline I would trust Danuser with.

Maybe his wife could shoot him during a safari.

[Biruteka]

Yes. Even without the whole controversy around blizzard, Nessingwary big eff you to nature. Something had to be done. Either this or having him being mauled to death by tiger.

Or since he is clearly named after Ernest Hemingway, he could have developed depression and killed himself with his own gun. But that's not a plotline I would trust Danuser with.

You need to see a psychiatrist urgently

[Xilurm]

I mean if you examine the trope Nessingwary evoked, it was obviously problematic. The way it was handled with DEHTA in Wrath probably made it even worse. The best way to advance the concept is to change it. Hemet is not important enough to the story that changing him becomes problematic after all.

How? They were made to make fun of PETA for being so extreme. It was satire if anything.

[Skildar]

You need to see a psychiatrist urgently

Why? suicide is a real issue, why not address it in the game?

[Nymrohd]

How? They were made to make fun of PETA for being so extreme. It was satire if anything.

And in no way dealt with the fact that Hemet's trophy hunting is also very problematic. Journey to new lands, kill everything that cannot talk in massive numbers, mount their heads on your mantle is not a great message.

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Why? suicide is a real issue, why not address it in the game?

Judging by how they addressed anything else in game, it would be the most patronizing shit ever. Let's not. Leave that to writers competent at social issues.

[Xilurm]

And in no way dealt with the fact that Hemet's trophy hunting is also very problematic. Journey to new lands, kill everything that cannot talk in massive numbers, mount their heads on your mantle is not a great message.

Idk, they kept bringing him back year after year. Probably felt like it wasn't that bad.

[huth]

Yes. Even without the whole controversy around blizzard, Nessingwary big eff you to nature. Something had to be done. Either this or having him being mauled to death by tiger.

Or since he is clearly named after Ernest Hemingway, he could have developed depression and killed himself with his own gun. But that's not a plotline I would trust Danuser with.

I don't think suicide is a good direction either way.

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Why? suicide is a real issue, why not address it in the game?

That's exactly why. Go take a look at the guidelines for reporting on suicides. Something reporters and journalists should do, as well, as they clearly haven't.

[Nyel]

And in no way dealt with the fact that Hemet's trophy hunting is also very problematic. Journey to new lands, kill everything that cannot talk in massive numbers, mount their heads on your mantle is not a great message.

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Judging by how they addressed anything else in game, it would be the most patronizing shit ever. Let's not. Leave that to writers competent at social issues.

Ooooof, this is such a nonsense take for video games honestly. There are entire games dedicated to hunting, Red Dead Redemption 2 has a feature like that, restricting or condemning something like this in a video game is really pointless. Video games display reality (more or less), the good and the bad. They don't need to be political correct or transport a message let alone be a moral compass. There is nothing problematic with Nessingwary and his hunting. It's the point of his entire existence.

[Lady Atia]

Ooooof, this is such a nonsense take for video games honestly. There are entire games dedicated to hunting, Red Dead Redemption 2 has a feature like that, restricting or condemning something like this in a video game is really pointless. Video games display reality (more or less), the good and the bad. They don't need to be political correct or transport a message let alone be a moral compass. There is nothing problematic with Nessingwary and his hunting. It's the point of his entire existence.

Ehm, yes there was a problem with it. If you can't see it you are part of the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole "hunting animals for fun" part came from Afrasiabi himself.

Good riddance. I don't want the glorification of mounting rare animals on a spike for fun in WoW. (and for thouse who liked it, the old quests are still in the game. Atleast they actually made a positive message instead of deleting the old content like they did with other problematic stuff)

[Feali]

Monk with the gold color instead of white

Monk with anything but the bulky as fuck human male model would be nice. So it fits the concept art better.

[Nymrohd]

Ooooof, this is such a nonsense take for video games honestly. There are entire games dedicated to hunting, Red Dead Redemption 2 has a feature like that, restricting or condemning something like this in a video game is really pointless. Video games display reality (more or less), the good and the bad. They don't need to be political correct or transport a message let alone be a moral compass. There is nothing problematic with Nessingwary and his hunting. It's the point of his entire existence.

I think it's different in Red Dead Redemption where you very much hunt to survive and eat and what Hemet does which is hunt entirely for the pleasure of killing and collecting trophies. At no point is the concern survival.

[Feali]

Only warriors should get execute mechanics

Don't take away my Touch of Death.

[Xilurm]

Ehm, yes there was a problem with it. If you can't see it you are part of the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole "hunting animals for fun" part came from Afrasiabi himself.

Good riddance. I don't want the glorification of mounting rare animals on a spike for fun in WoW. (and for thouse who liked it, the old quests are still in the game. Atleast they actually made a positive message instead of deleting the old content like they did with other problematic stuff)

No there wasn't a problem with it. Unless you're a psychopath and you go and do this irl.

Do you think GTA games are problematic as well?

[Lady Atia]

No there wasn't a problem with it. Unless you're a psychopath and you go and do this irl.

Do you think GTA games are problematic as well?

Last time I checked GTA games were rated as 18+ content. And yeah, I don't really care for these and wouldn't mind if they stopped to produce new ones lol.

And I could argue that "being a gangster who steals cars" is less problematic than people who hunt rare innocent animals and put their heads on a spike for fun.

[Feali]

I would kill to have my character look like the one in blue.

Just give us more customization options for "older" races. Doesn't need to be horns but more hair colors and styles some scars and jewelry would go a long way. Maybe even something like greyscale from GoT to get the scaley look.

[Lady Atia]

I think it's different in Red Dead Redemption where you very much hunt to survive and eat and what Hemet does which is hunt entirely for the pleasure of killing and collecting trophies. At no point is the concern survival.

Yeah hunting stuff for survival is a fair game. Killing animals for fun and trophies is disgusting though and shouldn't in any way be glorified.

[Nymrohd]

Just give us more customization options for "older" races. Doesn't need to be horns but more hair colors and styles some scars and jewelry would go a long way. Maybe even something like greyscale from GoT to get the scaley look.

I think that's what they implied. Pandaren raised the bar with customization, next expac (WoD) everyone else was slowly brought up to par or better. Then they've been doing the same until most of the races currently have a solid level. Now with Drac'thyr they are raising the bar again and in future expacs (hopefully as soon as the next one) we will see broader customization yet again.

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Last time I checked GTA games were rated as 18+ content. And yeah, I don't really care for these and wouldn't mind if they stopped to produce new ones lol.

And I could argue that "being a gangster who steals cars" is less problematic than people who hunt rare innocent animals and put their heads on a spike for fun. That's just disgusting.

I mean in one game it's pretty clear you are a criminal. Hemet is celebrated for what he did to appease some previous century colonialist/anglosaxon archetype about (white) human control of their "destiny" and nature which for some reason the dudebros who made WoW felt was worth appeasing?

[Xilurm]

Last time I checked GTA games were rated as 18+ content. And yeah, I don't really care for these and wouldn't mind if they stopped to produce new ones lol.

And I could argue that "being a gangster who steals cars" is less problematic than people who hunt rare innocent animals and put their heads on a spike for fun.

I mean you don't just steal cars in GTA. You can literally shoot hundreds of people willy nilly.

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I mean in one game it's pretty clear you are a criminal. Hemet is celebrated for what he did to appease some previous century colonialist/anglosaxon archetype about (white) human control of their "destiny" and nature which for some reason the dudebros who made WoW felt was worth appeasing?

I don't think it's that deep honestly. They just had a jungle zone and thought to add a "safari" quest or whatever. I always disliked those quests because they seemed neverending. Just quest after quest, was pretty boring.

But anyway, this discussion reminds me of a video I saw once during Cata where this lady was complaining that WoW was a satanic game because in the Nelf starting zone the first quests make you go murder wild animals.

[Plehnard]

Last time I checked GTA games were rated as 18+ content. And yeah, I don't really care for these and wouldn't mind if they stopped to produce new ones lol.

Isn't that a bit hypocritical from some one who has a Adeptus Mechanicus Avatar? When it comes to dark content W40k is at the very forefront with raping/enslaving dark space elves, a rotten human imperium where people get mind wipes and turned into floating servo skulls (like the one you have in your avatar picture), chaos gods that thrive on war, pestilence, lust end deceive.

There's room for darker content in every universe and considering how warcraft started it's getting a bit too tame/friendly.