Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[rhorle]

Imo the only way to kill Murozond is to remove him from the timeline? That's what works with 4D being, you don't kill them, you remove them.

He has been. End Time, the instance, was a time way that Murozond was hiding in. He stole the Hourglass of Time and prevented us from going into the past. The Hourglass was created by Nozdormu to help defeat him (Murozond) according to his vision. Murozond is dead but since his death took part in the past he can still appear as he hasn't been born yet.

The Infinite doesn't have to die with the death of Murozond as any other Bronze (or Infinite) dragon can take up that helm. It just requires them to find something to grant them powers which is what Dragonflight is exploring. Since the Aspects and those who were never aspects (Black and Green) will be finding a way to get their power back to stop the Primals.

I have a theory that the Titans turn out to be bad and Azeroth is a first one (or something new) that we have to protect. So the Dragons get empowered by the Elements/Azeroth by the end of the expansion. Nothing to confirm it and we will have to see how Blizzard does the story.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

"Titans turn out to be bad"


That sounds...lame and just slapping the Titans down. (The idea even if its presented in the most epic way possible). Like I get the first ones exist but I don't think we should just treat them like fodder afterwords.

[rhorle]

That sounds...lame and just slapping the Titans down. (The idea even if its presented in the most epic way possible). Like I get the first ones exist but I don't think we should just treat them like fodder afterwords.

The Titan's built a machine to kill every living thing on the planet. They have never really been on our side. We have just wanted to defeat/defend the same things they have for our own good. Think of it just like Xera and Illidan. The Naaru were always shown to be "good" until we were shown another side that makes them more zealots and potentially a threat. Also shown with Alt-Dreanor.

It really just seems a natural conclusion of the lore. Azeroth being a world soul, and the most powerful one ever found, is something the Titans are using. They just wrote history because they were the victors.

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Of course, given how aggressively it hints at 10.1 it was either supposed to be deleted by now and noone did, or some developers are actually giving hints/trolling the playerbase.

Dragon Isles Underground [WARNING: MUST be kept flagged "DEVELOPMENT MAP" until 10.1] (New) - Directory: 2454. Type: Normal.
Dragon Isles Underground [WARNING: MUST be kept flagged "DEVELOPMENT MAP" until 10.1] (New) - Max players: 5.

It may still be flagged since all we have is a string about it. Though the keep flagged part could be a failing of their new encryption to keep even that string hidden. It could just be a dev space or demo that they would no longer use after 10.1 or something. A few other lines refer to tech demo or onboarding areas.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Right. The Chronicles doesn't state what made the elements into "organic" things. No where does it state enough spirit turns them into flesh. You also don't have anything to show that the Titans stopped Azeroth from eating spirit.

Vol 1 page 37 and 38, the titans made the force of wills to feed Azeroth cosmic energy and repurposed the spirit to give sentience to rock and metal instead.

All the Chronicles, your one source, states is that the elementals that escaped banishment became less aggressive. That doesn't a ton of spirit caused them to become flesh. In fact the parts that state what spirit does to elementals doesn't indicate that is an outcome of "to much spirit".

chronicles vol 2 page 12, a abundance of spirit calms the elements to the point where they can’t walk about and causes mass growth of organic life.

So we have spirit calming the elements, the titans feeding Azeroth cosmic energy and repurposing spirit, calming of the elements leading them to turning to flesh. There is literally every thing supporting the idea other then them just saying spirit turned the elements to flesh and nothing at all supporting any of your alternative ideas.

Right. You claimed if there is a presence of a cosmic force in the Great Dark Beyond than that means it they can be given ownership of that realm

no I claimed that if the PANTHEON is present it could be given owner ship, I specifically pointed to Elune the pantheon member being present which you are still ignoring because you know the old gods and Naaru aren’t part of there pantheons but you don’t want to admit to being wrong.

Which conflicts because we can't both be in the "Lifelands" and the "Orderlands" even though you stated that is what it would be.

there is no way to know it can’t be both all we know is that pantheon members are tied to there various plains and that the pantheon members of the light and void aren’t in the great dark.

[Cheezits]

The updated human buildings in the files continue in Dragonflight!

https://twitter.com/raiden_ssjv/stat..._FSLpnPQjIr8bg

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Why would anyone wanna play another class with Dracthyr in the game in Dragonflight
Can fly
Can fly in old zones
Look really cool
A ton of cool abilities
Loads of customization!

they look one of the best things we've gotten in the game to be honest. if they could be other races and tank then this would be the most played class in the game

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The updated human buildings in the files continue in Dragonflight!

https://twitter.com/raiden_ssjv/stat..._FSLpnPQjIr8bg

awesome. hope they redo sw and org in 10.1

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The updated human buildings in the files continue in Dragonflight!

https://twitter.com/raiden_ssjv/stat..._FSLpnPQjIr8bg

Its gonna turn into a "Will they or won't they" at this point.

[KainneAbsolute]

I wonder if Blizzard wants to follow the movie Eternals:
- Keepers=Eternals
- Titans don't care about mortals, but they are ok if they keep the world soul safe
- Titan only cares the world soul is born; if all mortals on the planet die is an acceptable side effect

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I wonder if Blizzard wants to follow the movie Eternals:
- Keepers=Eternals
- Titans don't care about mortals, but they are ok if they keep the world soul safe
- Titan only cares the world soul is born; if all mortals on the planet die is an acceptable side effect

going by what steve likes we might just have an insane alextrasza burn down stormwind

[MightyWarrior]

I hope the story of Dragonflight ends with a bang that causes us to get a world revamp

[rhorle]

Vol 1 page 37 and 38, the titans made the force of wills to feed Azeroth cosmic energy and repurposed the spirit to give sentience to rock and metal instead.

The Forge of Wills was created to draw cosmic forces to Azeroth to help bolster the world soul. You stated that they stopped Azeroth from feeding on spirit which is contradicted by the information you brought up by the Forge of Wills. Your source indicates the Titans made it so Azeroth was "eating" more cosmic energy and not less. So the elements wouldn't have had an abundance of spirit but less, right? Again you keep inserting your own headcanon just to defend your incorrect assertions.

chronicles vol 2 page 12, a abundance of spirit calms the elements to the point where they can’t walk about and causes mass growth of organic life.

It does not however state that it causes elemental spirits to turn organic. It was never in doubt that spirit calms elements when present in large amounts. Page 12 clearly indicates the elementals of Dreanor were prevented from taking a physical form by the large amounts of spirit. That large amount of spirit caused flora and fauna (not elementals) to explode over the planet. It is amazing how you cherry pick lore from Chronicles that actually disproves your claims.

no I claimed that if the PANTHEON is present it could be given owner ship, I specifically pointed to Elune the pantheon member being present which you are still ignoring because you know the old gods and Naaru aren’t part of there pantheons but you don’t want to admit to being wrong.

Right. And forces of all pantheons have been present in the Great Dark Beyond. No one owns it because it isn't a plane of existence for just one cosmic force. There is a way to know if it can't be both. Because then it wouldn't be "Lifelands". It is that simple because Lifelands is the term the community uses to reference that yet named plane of Life. You also don't know that the Pantheon of Light isn't in the GDB. All you keep doing is using your head canon assumptions to argue as if they are facts.

Like I originally said your logic is silly. It doesn't become the lifelands simply because members of the Life cosmic force are present even if they are Pantheon-level.

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I wonder if Blizzard wants to follow the movie Eternals:

It would have to be the comics as we've known since WotLK that the Titans (and keepers) don't really care about mortal life being preserved.

[The Stormbringer]

The new infinite models look amazing.

Can I play this instead of Dracthyr? Hooolyyy shiiiit.

[KainneAbsolute]

going by what steve likes we might just have an insane alextrasza burn down stormwind

Primal-infused time-twisted Alextrasza ready to take revenge over the Horde

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Can I play this instead of Dracthyr? Hooolyyy shiiiit.

Blizzard has a gold mine and they don't notice it

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Leave...Stormwind out of it.

Primal-infused time-twisted Alextrasza ready to take revenge over the Horde

Alternate timeline Alexstraza is the one to go insane and Wise Noble Neltharion has to rally the flights against her.

[Khaza-R]

Can I play this instead of Dracthyr? Hooolyyy shiiiit.

Maybe there's space to leave Dracthyr and Evokers as is but give that as an option for the other classes people want from a dragonkin race?

[Cheezits]

TBH I agree that Drakonids should be playable, but I feel bad for Blizz. Who would've thought that many people want to play dragons without wings?

[Veluren]

Looks like WoWhead dug up some new dialogue related to the start of the expansion.

Apparently the Alliance is particularly shitty to Dracthyr and the idea of helping the dragons, with Turalyon, who was only around when dragons meant Bad Things and read up on Onyxia in hindsight, being red-flag-level paranoid about Dracthyr integrating too deeply into the Alliance's society to the point of telling Shaw he wants mages to develop ways to out dragons in Visage form.

Well, guess there's your incentive to make your Evokers go Horde.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Looks like WoWhead dug up some new dialogue related to the start of the expansion.

Apparently the Alliance is particularly shitty to Dracthyr and the idea of helping the dragons, with Turalyon, who was only around when dragons meant Bad Things and read up on Onyxia in hindsight, being red-flag-level paranoid about Dracthyr integrating too deeply into the Alliance's society to the point of telling Shaw he wants mages to develop ways out out dragons in Visage form.

Well, guess there's your incentive to make your Evokers go Horde.

Not really incentive, just further setup to turn Turalyon bad and basically have Blue Horde. Yay -_-


Edit: Since I overreacted well but I am still wary, considering Turalyon's character and he is on the throne so to speak.

[Nymrohd]

Looks like WoWhead dug up some new dialogue related to the start of the expansion.

Apparently the Alliance is particularly shitty to Dracthyr and the idea of helping the dragons, with Turalyon, who was only around when dragons meant Bad Things and read up on Onyxia in hindsight, being red-flag-level paranoid about Dracthyr integrating too deeply into the Alliance's society to the point of telling Shaw he wants mages to develop ways to out dragons in Visage form.

Well, guess there's your incentive to make your Evokers go Horde.

I mean most of the people in Stormwind probably know about Onyxia.

[cocomen2]

The new infinite models look amazing.

i find it hilarious, that any of these "bodies" look more pleasing for me, if made to be playbale dragonic races, rather than that Dracthyr abomination.


1) True Dragons - og races as visage form, dragon form on all four maybe with armor pieces. YES please (transmog works only in visage form, cost that i am willing to pay to get real dragon body)

2) Dragonoids - buff muscular draconic species, monster features with scary faces, without wings. YES please (transmog works)

3) Dragonmen - small hunched draconic species, with more soft akin crocodile features and extra long tail, no wings. YES please (transmog works)

4) Dracthyr - thin reptilian race with wings, transmog only in visage form, human/elf, goofy faces that smile 24/7, visage form with face burns of 3rd degree. PLS NO