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    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    I think that you are correct that the worst issue was the long fight time. But I was more referring to that we never actually fought Deathwing. It was just "fight adds over adds until you reach the end" and no real boss.
    Wish we had fought Deathwing on top of the Aspects. E.g. let us have one tank and three more people get a boon that made them large and let them ride the four aspects and engage Deathwing while the rest of the raid fought on the ground with a mechanic that forces people to rotate on the Aspects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But that is exactly what Dragonriding was created to solve. 3D movement in wow is crap, you are just swimming through the air. More importantly part of the problem with Occulus and Malygos was that there was no time to practice the vehicle controls. Occulus only was available inside the dungeon; Malygos' drakes were available in a daily to train but how many people bothered?
    TBH, it was never about actual controls, since everybody knew how flying works and were flying around Northrend. It was a sudden change of steering, but more importantly, a completely new set of abilities.
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  3. #63423
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    A big problem, as WoD showed, is also that people tend to way overcomplicate things when they analyse the timeline.
    I mean, the easiest and least confusing way to work with time is to simply push us forward. Hence, I have a gut feeling, that if it's not Galakrond who's the big bad, then it's Murozond who sends us into the future, which not only make story-wise justification for a world revamp and kinda 'soft reset' for WoW, but also creates a space for Warcraft 4 to tell the story in-between WoW 10.0 and 11.0.

  4. #63424
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebron View Post
    I mean, the easiest and least confusing way to work with time is to simply push us forward. Hence, I have a gut feeling, that if it's not Galakrond who's the big bad, then it's Murozond who sends us into the future, which not only make story-wise justification for a world revamp and kinda 'soft reset' for WoW, but also creates a space for Warcraft 4 to tell the story in-between WoW 10.0 and 11.0.
    Not saying you're wrong, and I'm also on "Team World Revamp 11.0". But man, your exact argument has been used for like 5 expansions in a row now. Just replace the name of the final boss.

    "It'll be a time skip, and then we'll get WC4 in the meantime, and..."

  5. #63425
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Would be actually surprised if they WONT use it in any fight in DF.
    Since there have been datamined abilities for Dragonriding (mainly PvP combat), it's almost guaranteed that they will implement at least one fight that utilize this system. It requires testing and veryfing what players like about dragonriding and what direction should they aim for, but I can't imagine they waste this potential.

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    You know what Blizzard should do?

    Update the character selection backgrounds.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Not saying you're wrong, and I'm also on "Team World Revamp 11.0". But man, your exact argument has been used for like 5 expansions in a row now. Just replace the name of the final boss.

    "It'll be a time skip, and then we'll get WC4 in the meantime, and..."
    Well, the time skip had never really much sense, the closest I can think of would be a speculation about Shadowlands time, which goes slower there, so once we return, we are a few years into the future.
    But Murozond, dude, it's few level of magnitude above all of them it's literally a corrupted Bronze Dragon, who's the lord of time. If that idea is not utilized, I can't think of anyhting that comes even close to that. Even WoD was just some random bullshit, initially with some hourglass stuff.

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    I'm liking this first new raid tier way, way more than the Zereth Mortis ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But that is exactly what Dragonriding was created to solve. 3D movement in wow is crap, you are just swimming through the air. More importantly part of the problem with Occulus and Malygos was that there was no time to practice the vehicle controls. Occulus only was available inside the dungeon; Malygos' drakes were available in a daily to train but how many people bothered?

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    I'd love a huge open air battle with him. We get an instanced version of the entire Dragon Isles and we chase him around using Dragonriding, stopping at different points to engage him.
    I really don't think that Dragonriding changes anything in that regard. Flying works because you concentrate on that and just on that. But intense combat, especially in HM or Mythic while you're flying a dragon? Nope.

    This would work if the dragons are "on rails" or controlled by an AI. Players flying and fighting at the same time will never be received positively by the playerbase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I really don't think that Dragonriding changes anything in that regard. Flying works because you concentrate on that and just on that. But intense combat, especially in HM or Mythic while you're flying a dragon? Nope.

    This would work if the dragons are "on rails" or controlled by an AI. Players flying and fighting at the same time will never be received positively by the playerbase.
    It might work for like the first or second boss. But as an endboss? No way. Too clustered. The fight would either be way too easy or way too hard.

  11. #63431
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I really don't think that Dragonriding changes anything in that regard. Flying works because you concentrate on that and just on that. But intense combat, especially in HM or Mythic while you're flying a dragon? Nope.

    This would work if the dragons are "on rails" or controlled by an AI. Players flying and fighting at the same time will never be received positively by the playerbase.
    I think you are trying to translate player combat into dragonriding combat. In that regard I'd agree. My idea would be to use the combat system that Dragonriding may have to offer, of course if it's interesting / engaging enough.

    I can imagine a fight where dragonriding is only a part of combat, like, maybe throwing the dragon on the ground and continue the fight in a player combat. Maybe that boss having some weak points in "air phase" so that you need to assault it properly, dodge the attacks and defeat the adds? Also, in such fight they could remove annoying constraints that are applied in regular, outdoor flying.

    I don't know, there are dozens of possibilties

  12. #63432
    I could see dragonriding being used in part of a raid, maybe even the penultimate version (i.e. instead of being on Deathwing's spine, chasing him, that sorta thing) but it strikes me also as potentially very chaotic and difficult to perform.

    Has potential, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticon View Post
    I'm liking this first new raid tier way, way more than the Zereth Mortis ones.

    Any more pics of the other sets? The ZM sets were have grown on me quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Not saying you're wrong, and I'm also on "Team World Revamp 11.0". But man, your exact argument has been used for like 5 expansions in a row now. Just replace the name of the final boss.

    "It'll be a time skip, and then we'll get WC4 in the meantime, and..."
    My ideal WC4 would be set in the War of the Ancients, imo that's the perfect place to have it without directly having it be in the way of WoW.

  16. #63436
    So do we know if Dragonriding will have combat associated with it?

  17. #63437
    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    So do we know if Dragonriding will have combat associated with it?
    Based on the talents, yes.

    Turns out I'm wrong.
    Last edited by Kiivar86; 2022-07-15 at 01:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atticon View Post
    I'm liking this first new raid tier way, way more than the Zereth Mortis ones.
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  19. #63439
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Based on the talents, yes.
    Where can I see the talents? I didn't see a wowhead post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinitemeridian View Post
    Where can I see the talents? I didn't see a wowhead post.
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...riding-Talents

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