thats the other thing. "oh all these mortals beliefs are proven untrue" . Wait you mean that Mortals who by definition dont go to the afterlife (because that would mean dying and coming back) DIDNT understand 100% how the afterlife worked? shocking.
Like that just ignores what belief is. Yes The tauren BELIEVED their ancestors stayed in the natural realm and guided them. And they were partially correct. Souls move on to a natural realm and can be tapped into through magic. The tauren DO guide their ancestors but they do it through magical connections tot he souls in the shadowlands.
Its like getting upset when you find out that Nordrassil is a giant root system instead of a tree. That didnt prove your beliefs were wrong, just that they werent accurate. You know, since no one who came up with those beliefs would know, since you CANT know about the afterlife until you die.
again IMO just people pushing their real world religious hangups onto the lore of the story. Your gods may not be real, the afterlife might not exist or if it doesn it might not work how you think it does. and that scares you. and so this lore exploring those themes in a videa gaime freaks you out.
Romance doesnt detract from a story. Its a Genre, like horror or comedy or adventure. The game was ruined when we got Horror in drustvar or nazmir. It wasnt ruined when we had funny quests. So if you think a little man on man love ruins the game, then yes you are either a homophobe or just a spoil sport that goes "ewww kissing is yucky" like a baby. Furthermore, if a character has never expressed interest in any gender, then its not proof they are straight. straight people are not the default
The valkyr choose the afterlives they showed her - and since the shadowlands are infinite they would never have to run into one that actually had loved ones together. It was clearly a lie to get her on his side.
Also new lore > old lore is a thing in most stories. Not everything can be a Song of Ice and Fire.
They really should've stressed how many afterlives they are/how the main 4 are just the most important, because a lot of players genuinely think people are doomed to become a kyrian, venthyr etc. It was just poor writing and also incorrect expectations for the players (no, putting a lot of floating doors behind the Arbiter doesn't mean everyone's going to "get it")
I think it would be interesting to see some friction develop between Turalyon and Captain Fareeya, his former second and now the leader of the Lightforged Draenei within the Alliance. Whereas Turalyon is more even-keeled, Fareeya definitely comes across as more fanatical and zealous overall, and definitely willing to creatively interpret commands to serve her ideas and opinions.
I don't recall the Scarlet Brotherhood/Crusade/Onslaught being led by or connected to a member of the Black Dragonflight though? They had a connection to the Legion via Balnazzar and Mal'Ganis, and Mal'Ganis also connects them to the Mawsworn by dint of the revelation that he originally (and continued) to serve the Jailer as well. As of Cata, it appears the bulk of the Crusade was converted into undeath by Balnazzar and summarily destroyed in the various EPL/Stratholme quest-chains. Am I missing one of the leaders that was later revealed to be a dragon?
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
But I just spent my entire argument proving why those beliefs were actually true, and none of them were disproven at all.
You, conversely, are just making weird, non-sequitur and oddly cynical arguments. Are you okay? It seems like you implicitly just wanted to create a tortured connection to my post so you could rail against religion.
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I was suggesting the supposed heir mentioned in this this could be a Black Dragon—it's not confirmed, just common and fairly believable pleblore. It is also entirely possible that the Scarlet Brotherhood is entirely making up their supposed heir. We know fairly certainly that it's not the real heir, though, because we know that Calia had a daughter and not a son.
As for Fareeya, I'm on the same wavelength there.
If I recall correctly, the developers have already said Turalyon will be a key player in the Dragonflight narrative as the Alliance deals with its leadership crisis as Anduin remains out of play for the time being. Mind you, I don't think his involvement will involve or lead to a renewed faction conflict or anything, but it definitely seems like Turalyon is going to have an appreciable amount of time in the spotlight.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
Didn't know about that—I was expecting him to act in the expansion after Dragonflight. I suppose that your idea about him trying to establish a military outpost on the Dragon Isles is looking increasingly plausible, then. There's also the matter of his suspicions regarding the Dragons, which could boil over to a small extent, leading to a straining relationship between the Dragons and Alliance.
sylvanas personally looks into countless afterlife’s in the novel she doesn’t take the jailers word at face value and she finds no intact family’s.
we see what happends to both part of uther the light one is shown to go directly to bastion and the one in frostmourns the jailer has, there is no explanation for what’s shown in the plague lends.As for the Light ghosts, Uther's ghost is up in the air: his death animation IMPLIES his soul was split into two halves, which may explain the light copy that shows up in Wrath, but at the same time it may have just been the part that went to Bastion.
it’s not lore breaking its religion breaking, uther morgrain that one farmer in red ridge, all go directly to the shadowlands.Regardless of the Uther stuff which may be a huge retcon they don't care about: some souls DO go to the Light, which is not part of the Shadowlands, just like some souls go back to the Void and other cosmic areas. That isn't breaking lore.
Every thing light worshipers believe about the after light is wrong with the light not even being part of the after life’s.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
tfw no subtext, always explicit statements. Wasn't she still guided by his minions?
Given the existence of contradicting information from a very recent source, Occam's Razor pretty strongly suggests that there is no explanation other than that Sylvanas was wrong. Taking it to the retcon thing is simply ignoring outside information to reinforce your preexisting belief.
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the light being able to snatch up a Soul with direct Naaru intervention doesn’t change that you don’t actually go there when you die and we know from revendreth that there not part of the after life at all.
Even having a literal piece of a Naaru with you/killing you isn’t enough to people into the light at death as seen by morgrain.
did you read this link? Out of the mentions one is just a belief, one is an explicit lie, and one is a interview just saying durotan is happy and dozing have to worry about the world being destroyed “ If everything went great”.That's explicitly a lie. In fact, it's suggested that Durotan is in that exact place.
and that would be what retcon means removing old Lore from canon and changing it into something new.At that particular time, but we know that's not always the case—Cairne was actually seen in a spiritual form doing that.
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Sylvanas explicitly picks where they go in the book she’s in complete control not being toured or guided.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
They're not part of that particular set of default afterlives. What about, say, the Lightforged? They could theoretically go to the Light upon death, and we actually see that directly happen numerous times. We also know from Uuna that the Light seems to have a direct connection to a particular afterlife and an interview outwardly states that the Light can serve as an afterlife, if abnormally for most lifeforms.
It literally explicitly says he's potentially in "some kind of endless hunting grounds" and that Draka could join him someday, directly contradicting both of your main premises.
Can we get a new logical fallacy exclusively for this forum? "Argumentum ad retconum"—the claim that all evidence contrary to ones argument is, in fact, a retcon and no longer counts.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
Yes, she chooses the general location whilst also being entirely herded about by the Jailer and being there on his authority—and, once again, it's stated to be possible for Durotan and Draka to reunite.
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I'd honestly advise against engaging with that guy. He seems to just be trying to bait for anti-religious screeds.
The valkyr take sylvanas any where she wants to go the jailer gives them endless time to look about (with the warning of returning to a skeleton) and tell them to do what she wishes, they aren’t pulling one over on her by only showing her bad places she’s in control the whole time.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
Having a modicum of consistency is expected.
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They're taking her anywhere she wants to go—based on her limited understanding and judgment. If I say I want to go to France, and you take me to a slum in France, you were still painting my expectations. I went where I wanted, but my expectations were still distorted by what you showed me.
there’s no reason to think the light forged wouldn’t go to the shadowlands, having a part of/being killed by a piece of actual Naaru doesn’t send one to the light (morgrain) so being powered up by one likely wouldn’t either.
The only actual example we have of some one going to the light is that one pally in icecrown and that was direct Naaru stepping in before he died effectively taking a soul the same way frostmourn does before it ever goes to the after life’s.
“potentially”It literally explicitly says he's potentially in "some kind of endless hunting grounds" and that Draka could join him someday, directly contradicting both of your main premises.
In “some kind” of hunting grounds “if every thing went well” isn’t a conformation if the rocs beliefs it’s not even a conformation that he’s any where it’s abunch of none commitments that tell of nothing of the actual state of the lore as they purposely left it up in the air.
I’m sorry you don’t know how retcons work?Can we get a new logical fallacy exclusively for this forum? "Argumentum ad retconum"—the claim that all evidence contrary to ones argument is, in fact, a retcon and no longer counts.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.